Re: kernel update warning

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Kam Leo wrote:
>  > 2008/2/25 Mikkel L. Ellertson <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>  >> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>  >>  > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Kam Leo <kam.leo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>>  You are nit-picking. Most users want kernel security updates. Those
>  >>  >>  who have special requirements, e.g. only one particular version works
>  >>  >>  with their setup, will disable updating the kernel.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > There are users who aren't aware that kernel updates can stop their
>  >>  > vmware, vitualbox and other apps that use custom compiled kernel
>  >>  > modules... I know that you can argue that users should know that
>  >>  > breaks and what doesn't break their apps, but still a finer grained
>  >>  > updates would be nice.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > I also think that OpenSuse has some think like this "install only
>  >>  > updates that don't require a restart" (I don't use OpenSuse regulary
>  >>  > so I can't be absolute sure) and Mint Linux has even updates grained
>  >>  > with numbers 1-5, 5 being updates that are potentially dangerous to
>  >>  > break some functionality you have now (like kernels and graphics
>  >>  > drivers). So you can apply only updates with 3 and lower number and
>  >>  > only when you choose do the other "more dangerous" updates.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Do you see this as a nonsense or something that fedora would benefit from?
>  >>  >
>  >>  Well, unless you change things, you are presented with a list of the
>  >>  packages that will be installed, removed, and updated. I guess if
>  >>  you blindly accept the list, you could run into problems. You also
>  >>  have the option of telling Yum not to consider packages for update.
>  >>  In any case, if the new kernel breaks things, you always have the
>  >>  current running kernel to fall back on. So you can try the new
>  >>  kernel if you want, and if it breaks things for you, go back to the
>  >>  old one.
>  >>
>  >>  Mikkel
>  >
>  > With Fedora you have another kernel to fall back on. For openSUSE the
>  > old/running kernel is removed and only the new kernel package remains.
>  > If things don't work after rebooting you need to boot using safe mode
>  > settings; and, if that fails, dig out the install/rescue CD/DVD.
>  > Perhaps that's why openSUSE issues fewer kernel updates than Fedora.
>  >
>
>  FWIW, I downloaded openSUSE just to give it a whirl.  It has a very nice
>  install process with nice screens and is fairly easy to follow.  By default
>  it creates partitions for / and /home as well as swap and does not use LVM.
>
>  As the install completes it offers to run online updates.
>
>  Too bad that after all of that it left the / partition 100% full and there
>  was no easy way to increase the size of /.  With LVM it would have been a
>  snap.  Oh well, I suppose all distros have their warts.  Will have to try
>  installing again sometime.  Still would like to experience their kernel
>  update process.

If I'm not mistaken this partitioning scheme is new for 10.3. Default
for older releases had / and /home sharing the same partition like
Fedora before LVM. Hope they fix it for 10.4.

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