On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 16:32 -0700, Ted Marshall wrote: > From: "John Austin" <ja@xxxxxxxxxx> > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general > To: <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "For users of Fedora" > <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: USB drive on server? > > > > Dup from other thread > > > >> Over 10 year life time > > > > http://www.corsairmemory.com/_faq/FAQ_flash_drive_wear_leveling.pdf > > The problem with the statistics given for Dynamic Wear Leveling is that the > flash controller must be able to know which blocks are not in use by the > filesystem. AFAIK (and this is very difficult to verify one way or the > other), consumer grade devices (at least) are only aware of FAT filesystems > and only if there is only one partition on the device. If you use ext2/3 or > have multiple partitions (both typical for Linux) the controller cannot > track blocks being freed by the filesystem and so any block ever written by > the host will looks busy to the flash controller. Therefore, writes will > only rotate through the (small) pool of extra blocks maintained by the flash > controller. This is where I hope you are wrong !!!!!!!! See below > > Also, AFAIK, few if any consumer-grade and, I suspect, few > professional-grade flash devices do Static Wear Leveling. > > The result is that the flash drive will burn out much faster than the > statistics quoted. How much faster, I am unable to compute. It may still > be adequate for your needs. I don't know. > > You have made me have a very careful read of the the Corsair info and to query my understanding!! Assuming the Corsair info true then my understanding is as follows The Flash Voyager GT uses Dynamic Wear Levelling I am not convinced that it knows about VFAT, NTFS, ext2 ... The stick does not know about which is static data and which is dynamic, all its knows is that if it is written to then it has to find somewhere to put it. The Corsair info suggests that there is more memory on the stick than you can get at, See Fig 3, I do not know if this is true. The stick does not need to know which bits are freed by the operating system, only which bits have been freed by the wear levelling look up table. When the operating system deletes a file then it will free up a certain number of cylinders/tracks/sectors as "it" understands them. At a later time the operating system will write to those cylinders/tracks/sectors again. At that time the stick will remap them to different locations on the stick, freeing up the previously used physical memory. My F7 stick layout is shown below. I conclude that there is approx 6GB of "Static" data and 2GB of Dynamic data (Free Space as far as Linux is concerned). Thus if there is 2GB "free" as understood by the operating system then this is "almost" equivalent to 2GB being "free" to be mapped by the stick. The bit that gets the hammering will be the superblocks - every time the inode access time is updated for either read or write. The superblock data will be moving around on the stick as a result of the wear levelling, however the wear levelling will only be applied over 2GB instead of 8GB. If I remember correctly then the superblock (or hopefully only part of it) will be written every 30 seconds. http://www.storagesearch.com/siliconsys-art1.html http://www.stec-inc.com/downloads/AN-0702_STEC_SMALL_CARDS_WEAR_LEVELING_LIFETIME_CALCULATOR.pdf both give a formulae to compute the lifetime of wear levelled devices. Filling in the first as follows gives a very large number of years!! The 100,000 write cycle figure comes from the Corsair info A bit of superblock = 10kB ???????? [(8000 - 6000)*100,000*(1 - 0)]/[(0.01*2 writes/min)*525,600] = 19,026 years. I conclude: You should NEVER use the stick for long periods when it is close to full as the wear levelling will only be able to act over the remaining memory available at that time and will become ineffective. I would be very grateful for feed back on this !! I still have a 10 year warranty to fall back on !! As an aside Is it a good idea to run "/" mounted without "atime" ?? John [root@corsair ~]# df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 7549152 4869528 2296148 68% / /dev/sda1 41053 19301 19632 50% /boot tmpfs 1684780 0 1684780 0% /dev/shm [root@corsair ~]# Disk /dev/sda: 8287 MB, 8287944704 bytes 241 heads, 32 sectors/track, 2098 cylinders Units = cylinders of 7712 * 512 = 3948544 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 11 42400 83 Linux /dev/sda2 * 12 2000 7669584 83 Linux /dev/sda3 2001 2098 377888 82 Linux swap / Solaris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
