Les Mikesell wrote: > That's my point... Why not ship something that works? Works for who? Sendmail works fine for many desktop users that install Fedora. So the defaults aren't suitable for a production mail server, big deal. Anyone running a production mail server should be expected to be competent to configure the mail server. > If the other services didn't work as distributed you probably > wouldn't run them either. BS. I configure plenty of services for the servers I manage. Even if they do work fine out of the box I always familiarize myself with their configuration options before running them on a production system. There is a case that the service could be enabled by default and the firewall left to deny access (by default) or allow it. But I still fail to see how disabling it by default is really broken as you keep repeating. You simply don't like the default. File a bug and make your case to someone that might be able to do something about it. I have very little concern for someone that intends to run a mail server and doesn't take the time to read any of the documentation. They will be boned in so many ways that arguing over how to make the system work for them is pointless. I believe the saying is something like, "don't argue with fools, first, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips
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