Re: How NSA access was built into Windows

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On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:32 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 22 January 2007 13:06, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Sounds more like ccache sped up your build than anything selinux
> >related.
> 
> Except that ccache has been in use since back about a week after I 
> installed FC6 from scratch, installed then as a solution to the long 
> build times of the kino cvs.  It was in use on FC2 before that, for about 
> a year.  (But that copy or /root/.ccache is on another separate drive.)  
> So it was active for the 2nd and 3rd builds too, in addition to building 
> all the 2.6.19-rcN tree as it became available.  And all of those builds 
> were 30 minutes or more.  With ccache running...
> 
> I guess it boils down to you can believe what you want, and I can do the 
> same.  When I get a 3x increase in *effective* compiler speed by dropping 
> selinux, then I think the conclusions I reach as a lifetime 
> troubleshooter & medium grade JOAT should be obvious.  I'm sorry it 
> doesn't appear that way to others.
----
one problem I have with this is that you say that you've been using
ccache for a year on FC-2 when in fact, last November 30th, you didn't
know what ccache was and Dave Jones had to tell you what it was and how
to install it.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-November/msg06826.html

This of course is notwithstanding the problems you had making it work
because you insist on building stuff as root and that isn't secure or
recommended...

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-November/msg06858.html
----
> 
> Selinux is also on my FC5 lappy, but it didn't seem to 'get in my face' 
> near as badly as this FC6 version has done. Here, when its set for 
> permissive, and it generates 100k a day in the logs for my normal 
> activities, reading and replying to email, looking at manpages, working 
> on bash scripts, playing a few rounds of patience or editing a wedding 
> video in kino and harrassing the folks on ./ as well as these lists, it 
> just strikes me that something IS drasticly wrong, and I'm trying to fix 
> it.  I didn't build an XP2800 box with a gig of ram on a 333mhz fsb 3 
> years ago to have it run like a dosbox using floppies.  I'll build 
> another, a 64 bitter with maybe 4GB of ram next time, when linux has 64 
> bit supported as well as 32 bit is now.  In the meantime I don't intend 
> to support bloat if I can do away with it.
> 
> As someone said in a private email, this is MY checkbook, this is MY house 
> (its paid for too), this is MY truck (and I wrote a check for it) and 
> this is MY computer.  And that seems like a right attitude to me.
----
SELinux sort of separates the sysadmins from the users. Users don't want
anything to get in their way (i.e., make/build, run GUI as root).
Sysadmins don't want anything to compromise their system.

Craig

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