On Thursday 15 June 2006 21:02, David Boles wrote:
> nigel henry wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 June 2006 16:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >> nigel henry wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I
> >>> want to
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> > If this had been an MS OS that you'd paid for, then I suppose you should
> > complain. Not that they would have listened. When you get something for
> > free, I believe it's a bit different. Alright, you expect it to work, and
> > FC5 does, although with the caveat that a lot of folks seem to be having
> > Nvidea, and ATI graphics driver problems. Me too, with Rage128's r128
> > driver. But I'm using the vesa one, and apart from not being able to play
> > DVD's, the graphics are ok.
> >
> > I think my biggest complaint is that when you insert disk 1, you have no
> > idea of changes that have been made since the earlier version of FC. A
> > couple of pages here, showing major changes from the previous FC, and
> > perhaps things to take note of during the install. This, before Anaconda
> > starts, could save a lot of hassle, and annoyance, particularly for
> > existing FC users. Putting aside the floppy problem, which I've fixed by
> > creating a floppy directory in /media, and creating an /etc/fstab entry
> > for the floppy, the biggest annoyance for me as a dial-up user is pirut.
> > (pronounced pirate)
> >
> > I had a lot of problems installing FC4, having to retry the install
> > between 12 and 15 times. Tried reducing the packages to be installed,
> > doing a basic workstation install, and on and on. Perhaps this was why
> > with FC5, and for the first time, I (bad move) did not customise the
> > packages to be installed, only to find out post install, and after
> > changing the r128 graphics driver to vesa, that pirut was, as of yet,
> > incapable of accessing the CDROMS to add packages, without creating a
> > local Yum repo, and I only discovered that after trawling through
> > Fedoraforum. I would not want to put a new user to Linux through the
> > hassle of creating a local Yum repo, taking up 3GB of harddrive space,
> > and due to updates to the packages will probably only be of any use for
> > about 3 months.
> >
> > I suppose at discovering the "pirut" problem, and only having to had to
> > change the graphics card driver to get X started, I should have
> > re-installed. Going the Linux way, not the MS (you need to re-install the
> > OS) way, I merrily DL'd KDE, and all the development stuff that I
> > normally install. (lots of dialup time)
> >
> > I have since put another install of FC5 on the same machine. Using the,
> > once bitten twice shy premise, this time I customised the packages on the
> > way through.
> >
> > This is a light hearted reply, and see what you get from asking "why
> > not".
> >
> > I'm 57 years old, only started with computers in 1993, while encouraging
> > my son to get into IT. Started with an old P1 with Win 98, then moved
> > onto a new machine with XP preinstalled. I tried to get my son interested
> > also in Linux. Always wanting to try out something a bit near the edge, I
> > tried Linux, and have never turned back. My son's latest job is mainly
> > working with MS OS's, but he did say they a machine with RH on it, so
> > there is hope yet.
> >
> > Incidentally, XP don't want to bootup on the machine it was originally
> > installed on. There's a lot of 3rd party security on it, so I don't
> > believe it's infected. I don't think it likes the idea that so many Linux
> > distros are running on it's machine.
> >
> >>> see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the
> >>> moment.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media
> >>> from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy
> >>> drive while logged into KDE.
> >>
> >> Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then
> >> different file systems should not have their mounts described in
> >> different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one
> >> do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being
> >> a place to control how they do it.
> >>
> >>> Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
> >
> > Perhaps I was feeling a bit grumpy when I said that.lol.
> >
> >> Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
> >
> > I am running Debian as well.
> >
> > Just 2 machines networked through a dedicated Smoothwall Express2
> > firewall, and onto the Internet with a serial (slow as hell on dialup)
> > modem, but better than no connection.
> >
> > !st machine has Win ME (just goes on line for 3rd party security
> > updates), FC1,FC2,FC3, and the 2 instances of FC5.
> >
> > 2nd machine (the one that XP won't bootup on now) has FC1, FC2, FC3,
> > FC4,Debian Sarge, Debian Sarge/Etch, Slackware 10.0, Gentoo (which as a
> > newbie wasn't a bundle of fun to install).
> >
> > Right. Run out of words now. Nigel.
> >
> >> Mike
> >> --
> >> p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
> >> This message made from 100% recycled bits.
> >> You have found the bank of Larn.
> >> I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
> >> I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
>
> You went from FC-2 to FC-5. Didn't you think that maybe, just maybe,
> something might have changed in all of that time?
David. You are merely confirming why I said I did not like complaining, but
was simply looking for help, even though I might have been a bit T'd off at
the time when posting the message.
I did not upgrade from FC2 to FC5. I have FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4, and now FC5,
along with other Linux distros running on these 2 machines. I do not upgrade
FC, I install fresh on spare harddrive space
>
> What you are talking about is called "Release Notes" Start here:
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/ Then click on the Big red word Documenation
>
> which will take you here:
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/
>
> There are many links here to useful information. But since you are jumping
> three releases I would suggest that you read FC-3 and FC-4 also.
Just where did you get the idea from that I'd jumped 3 releases?
>
> There are also many user websites with helpful information. Many are
> mentioned here, on this list, all of the time.
>
> BTW the 'Release Notes" are also available to read on one of the installer
> pages on CD-1. Lower right hand corner. Before you install anything.
>
> As for DVD's that I can not say for sure because I don't do that. I would
> think that you need the codecs so that your player can read the DVD. Those
> are NOT included because they are not opensource. The video problem you
> mentioned is a Nvidia problem because, once again, the drivers are not open
> source. Fedora does not supply non open source packages. Both should be
> available on not-fedora sites however.
This has nothing to do with codecs. I have FC1, FC2, and FC3 on this machine,
using an old Rage128 graphics card. Mplayer, Ogle, and Xine will play DVD's
with no problem. The problem is that X on FC5 will not start using the r128
driver, which has no problem with FC1,2,and 3, on the same machine. I have to
use the vesa driver on FC5, and consequently, because of the 100% CPU useage
of the vesa driver when playing DVD's, viewing them is really crap.
Just to state this again.
The r128 driver is fine for FC1,2, and 3, and I can watch DVD's, using
Mplayer, Ogle, or Xine.
The r128 driver will not work on FC5, and I have to use the vesa driver. The
results using the vesa driver, are that the video is juddery, like an old
time movie, and no doubt because of the juddery video, the sound is out of
sync.
Here's a challenge. If you're so quick to critisize my post, how about giving
me some very clear instructions how to get the r128 graphics card driver
working on FC5.
I'm not talking about a few links to various sites, and do it for yourself.
lets have some explicit info to get this driver working on FC5.
Nigel.
>
> --
>
>
> David
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