Re: kde in extras - the devel discussion

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On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:26 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 08:45 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> >> Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:26 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> 1. Extras really should not be regarded as a "second class citizen" to
> >> >> Core in the first place, and
> >> 
> >> > I wouldn't be sure. Though I on one hand agree that RH's work on KDE
> >> > has not been a "proof of exellence", on the other hand, I think, a
> >> > couple of overly ambitious KDE hackers in Extras could be harmful.
> >> > 
> >> >> 2. It would be maintained in Extras by the same people that brought
> >> >> you the kde-redhat project, so you'd probably get better-packaged,
> >> >> more up to date releases than is currently possible in Core.
> >> > C.f. my comment to 1) above.
> >> 
> >> I'd hope such a large maintainership burden would be done by a team,
> >> which certainly would include rh's current kde maintainer.
> 
> > IMO, it's only a matter of time until somebody will screw KDE and nobody
> > will feel responsible - Up to now we all had RH's KDE maintainer to
> > blame, but then we won't have him.
> 
> I take it, then, you don't have much faith in Extras *at all*. 
Well, whether you like it or not, Fedora leadership so far has not given
me much reason for faith in them ...

>  The same
> argument can be made against everything in Extras.
Not quite. It's the size of KDE and its complexity is what makes the
difference - I strongly doubt a couple of "ambitious young man" will be
able to handle it.

> >> > 3. It would close out RH from a technology
>  
> >> IMO, simply being in Extras != "close out RH from a technology"
> 
> > 1. RH != Fedora !!!
> 
> true! Which puzzles me why you mentioned it, because it appears to weaken
> the original assertion even more.
Why? I said, *RH* is decoupling itself from what others consider a core
component - If *they* think this is wise, ... well, I think they are in
error.

> > 2. There are no FE CDs.
> Coming soon!  (Or at least a method to create customizable Fedora
> installation media using your choice of bits from Core+Extras).
See above. I've read to many false promises from Fedora leadership to
give any trust in any such promise before I have it in my hands.

> > 3. anaconda is meaningless rpm-wise.
> 
> I don't follow here.
You don't need anaconda to install Fedora. All that matters is rpm and
repositories => All you need is an rpm installer, such as yum or apt.

Ralf



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