If I try to check out the entire FC-4 tree, I get this [kaboom@fc5test fedora-extras-cvs]$ cvs co FC-4 For more information on using the Fedora CVS repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs U bazaar/bazaar.spec U galculator/galculator-1.2.5-gobject-unref.patch U galculator/galculator.spec cvs [checkout aborted]: there is no repository /cvs/extras/rpms/GiNaC/FC-4 [kaboom@fc5test fedora-extras-cvs]$ Looks like maybe GiNaC got renamed to ginac but wasn't cleaned up completely in FC-4? later, chris