On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 14:59 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >It's not random; it's following fairly simple guidelines: > >- removal of duplicate functionality >- removal of functionality that (arguably) doesn't fit the normal > Core usage cases >- games Non-random would have seen Postfix dropped too, under the same criteria. Not that I'm suggesting that would be a good thing to do at this point either; mind you. I don't use Postfix myself but it's in FC3 and people are using it so we can't drop it. It's not about favourite-MTA advocacy -- it wasn't me who added Exim to Fedora (or RHEL) and I don't own the package there. Neither was it me who first suggested making it the default IIRC, although I'm inclined to agree. If it had never been added to Fedora, that would have been fine by me -- but dropping packages which were in FC3 is broken, especially as we _know_ we can make a far better job of trimming Core down to size when Extras works nicely in FC5. I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't _ever_ move Exim and Postfix to Extras -- I'm suggesting that we shouldn't do it _now_ in such an uncontrolled fashion; instead we should do it in FC5 when the upgrade will be able to cope. The same goes for XFCE as far as I can tell -- we're cutting off a large set of machines which will no longer be able to run Fedora graphically. Avoiding bloat is a sane enough goal -- but the 4 CD target seems somewhat over the top. Three reasons were given for it IIRC: - 25% increase in media costs for those making CDs. In _media_ costs alone maybe. In fact you could phrase it differently -- you could call it a 100% increase in "5th CD media cost". Or you could perhaps quote a percentage of the _total_ costs of such operators -- about 1% maybe? CDs are dirt cheap, and I suspect that the media cost really isn't a large proportion of the total. - Mirror sites might drop Fedora if it grows The only mirror admin who I've seen respond has basically said "bring it on". Are there examples of those who've said otherwise? 300M on a mirror site doesn't seem like much. This sounds dubious to me. - Users will drop Fedora if it grows This one is the most spurious of all -- I suspect you'll see more users dropping Fedora if we lose XFCE than you'd lose just because they have to download an extra half-CD worth of packages for FC4. We can fix this properly in FC5, and make Extras a first-class citizen; Extras really isn't ready yet for us to be using it as an excuse or mechanism for dumping packages from Core. -- dwmw2
