> David Rees wrote: > > On Wed, March 30, 2005 8:25 am, Pettit, Paul said: > > > > No, not much different than everyone else. > > > > I only possed an opinion (for which I have been thoroughly > reamed for) > > in regards to timing the release of updates. My only mistake was not > > thinking of the problem on a more global scale in relation to timed > > releases. It's apparent that this must be done based on each persons > > local conditions. I had incorrectly thought it was something that FL > > might want to control or lend a hand dealing with. > > On Wed, March 30, 2005 8:51 am, Pettit, Paul said: > >> Eric Rostetter > >> I think your opinion is worth the world. And a lot of > good ideas have > >> come from this discussion, some of which will help FL and its users > >> in the future. > > > > I can't see how anyone could believe you when you say "your > opinion is > > worth the world". You've done nothing but attack me and my > thoughts on > > the subject. I guess you value my opinion as it gives you > ammo to shoot > > me with. > > From my point of view, the whole disagreement started when you (Paul) > started chastising the list (whether or not you meant for it > to sound like > that) for not seeing things the way you saw them. > > At which point people started getting defensive and annoyed > (me included) > and the thread took on it's own life from there. > I don't think that at anytime I chastized anyone except Eric, and that because all he did was talk down to me. If I gave that impression to anyone else on the list I humbily apologize. It was my intent to express my opinion, not to change the world. I have little power to do that unless we all agreee it'd be a good thing. My opinion however was based on a narrow view of things and has since been corrected. > On Wed, March 30, 2005 8:25 am, Pettit, Paul said: > > Yes I did and it's the bet response of all the posts here. > I thank you > > for actually trying to solve the problem, that's what a community is > > for. Saddly you're the only one that really did that. Tom > had the same > > idea but (heh) did it in less useful terminology. :) > > Just trying to solve a problem and get the flame-fest under > control. ;-) > I'm glad you finally found a good solution to your problem. > Still working on it as you know. ;) > > Yeah that will work for now but dealing with holidays is a bit more > > tricky. Yum nor Crom really don't have any method for > dealing with it > > and I'm not aware of another job scheduler for linux that > would resolve > > the core issue. > > > > There in is the nut I need to crack. FL will be of no help > in dealing > > with it and I can see why: tz issues, lack of ownership, no drive to > > resolve, and the mantra of security (updates out asap when > "ready", not > > that that's bad). > > This type of tone can easily set people off, even though the second > paragraph is true, it really does sound like an attack, > whether you mean it > or not. I would suggest leaving these types of comments off the list, > and instead keep posts focused on solutions (like you say below). > See below ... > > I'll have to do some more programing and I'll try and send out the > > improved script (if I get it to work well) so others can > use it. Did a > > test run but it took like 3 hours to run and I'm not sure why. :P > > On Wed, March 30, 2005 8:51 am, Pettit, Paul said: > > > > It was never a battle in my mind (don't bother responding, > you DO NOT > > know what I think) but an opinion that you took as an > atttack on how FL > > runs. > > It looked a battle to me on both ends. I know I was > frustrated. Perhaps > we can all learn a lesson from this and think of the people > on the other > side of the wire and keep the comments productive. > > Cheers > > Dave > Just as a matter of point. I rarely post to lists (any) because of what happened here. It's probably all my fault as I like to speak in plain language and spell out what I'm seeing. This often is taken as an attack when it's more of a summary of my thoughts. It's a habit (bad?) which I see is not very welcome here (heh) so I will try and control my urge to say more than is absolutely needed for the problem at hand. Peace. Paul Pettit -- fedora-legacy-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list
