Lurker here. Feel free to smack me for suggesting this. I've run into continuous confusion with clients and enthusiasts alike on the naming change. Whether it is a demonization by anti-Red Hat enthusiasts, people who claim Red Hat doesn't do anything but RPM (sigh, they can't seem to separate APT from Debian) or when I've switched clients from upgade from Red Hat Network (RHN) to Fedora Legacy (FL) for Red Hat Linux (RHL) updates, they act like it's a whole new product. I've had the best success in just flat out stating that Red Hat Linux is now Fedora Core (FC), and Fedora Legacy (FL) is the mechanism by which end-of-life RHL/FC releases, period. This includes no longer referring to Red Hat Linux but calling it Fedora Core. Additionally, I call "Fedora" the "community distribution" of Red Hat, which helps further calm fears -- especially when I go into the trademark issues, which client seem to understand better than the enthusiasts. As such, I would suggest we adopt a nomenclature to retro-name RHL to FC 0.x. This would both solve some confusion _and_ the trademark concerns. In fact, it would also solve the trademark issue for "black box" vendors still shipping products based on Red Hat Linux 7.3 or 9 to call and update it under a different name. Specifically: Red Hat Linux 7.3 is now Fedora Core L7[.3] Red Hat Linux 9 is now Fedora Core L9 Where a traditional "number" is necessary, the "L" can be interpreted as "0." -- so RHL 9 -> FC L9 or FC 0.9. We can do this with other Red Hat Linux releases -- and maybe even have a "history page/mapping" on the Fedora Legacy site. This would also include putting a couple of new files in the "redhat-release/ fedora-release" packages, such as: /etc/fedora-release With the reference to the new nomenclature. This might solve future packages that look for /etc/fedora-release instead of /etc/redhat-release (who knows?). Plus there should be a symlink in /usr/share/doc: fedora-release-Lx -> redhat-release-x If anyone is up for it (I am, sans I only speak English ;-), it probably wouldn't hurt to edit the contents of the directory to both reflect the nomenclature change as well as change the trademarks. Again, just a suggestion. The Fedora changeover has been so confusing, and I tire of dealing with people in the "assumptions." Now that "Red Hat Linux" is officially end-of-life, I feel we should just "simplify" the whole mess and call everything "Fedora" retro-actively. -- Bryan P.S. This isn't some anti-Red Hat post -- quite the opposite if you read the details. I'm very pro-Red Hat, pro-Fedora and I think Fedora is the best thing Red Hat has done yet! Unfortunately, most people are making assumptions out there. This is the best suggestion I could think of, and works for me with people. -- Engineers scoff at me because I have IT certifications IT Pros scoff at me because I am a degreed engineer I see and understand both of their viewpoints Unfortunately Engineers and IT Pros only see in me what they dislike about the other trade ------------------------------------------------------ Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx -- fedora-legacy-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list