Sorry Eric. I was in a bit of a mood when I wrote this. I have been dealing with customers all day. I do think some of what I said still rings true. -- Christian Pearce http://www.commnav.com "Christian Pearce" said: > > Eric Rostetter said: > > > Several of us non-leaders tried to step forward to help. We were told a line > > of gibberish about using such and such IRC, such and such wiki, etc. But I > > don't use IRC. I don't know what wiki is or how to use it. I was being > > asked to do stuff, without directions, that I didn't know how to do, and > > didn't know why I needed to do them. So nothing happened.... > > I didn't use IRC either, but the fact of the matter is I needed to use this in order to be helpful for the projects sake. I learned. I believe a good deal of projects get done this way. It is a virtual meeting room. > > When you are asked to do something, it is because something needs to get done. When there is lack of direction that means there is a lack of leadership and decisions need to be made. So make them. If some one voices there opinion differently let them do the work then. I think working on these projects doesn't mean having someone spell it out for you. If they did that they might as well do it themselves. I don't mean to sound critical on this, but I think this is just the way it goes. > > > This happened on several projects I tried to get into. So, I did nothing > > but lurk... Sad. I could contribute, but am being blocked from doing so > > because no one will take the time to help me get up to speed on the > > infrastructure the aledged "leaders" want to impose on the community. > > Take the time to learn it yourself. Or jump on IRC and start asking questions. Everyone was very helpful in getting me up to speed. I have a lot of packaging experience and I am knowledgable in many things. But I wasn't use to all the GPG key signing, and wasn't familiar with all the fedora policy we adopted. So I just asked. Hashing out newbies on the list can be quite noisy. > > Getting up to speed is part of the process. I don't know who is "aledging" to be a leader, but there are certainly people among us doing work and making decisions, that puts them in a leadership role whether they wanted it or realzed it or not. I don't think anyone is imposing anything other than trying to solve the problem the best way they (we) know how. > > > I'll be updateing the Fedora Legacy web site just as soon as I get a chance. > > Unfortunately lately I've been too busy dealing with issues of my wife's > > health (along with my work responsibilities) to help as much as I would like > > to. Strangely, it turned out in the end I could help with the web site > > without learning about IRC, wiki, and all that other new-aged stuff... > > IRC is older than dirt. Wiki's are nothing new or difficult to understand. > > I am sorry this isn't easier for you, but I feel I was in the same position as you were and I was interested it working on this project. Therfore I spent time reading and learning so I could be come an active particpant. > > -- > Christian Pearce > http://www.commnav.com > > > -- > > fedora-legacy-list@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list >
