On Thursday, December 8, 2022, Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 07:59:20PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022, Adam Williamson < > adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 12:58 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > I've done a few passes, dropping a bunch of older firmware upstream > > > > that are no longer supported in any stable kernel release, also a > > > > bunch of de-dupe and linking of files rather than shipping of > multiple > > > > copies of the same firmware. It's improved things a bit, > unfortunately > > > > a lot of the dead firmware was tiny compared to say average modern > > > > devices like GPUs or WiFI. > > > > > > > > The problem with a lot of the firmware, and with the new nvidia "open > > > > driver" which shoves a lot of stuff into firmware in order to have an > > > > upstreamable driver apparently the firmwares there are going to be > > > > 30+Mb each, is that they're needed to bring up graphics/network etc > to > > > > even just install so I don't know how we can get around this and > still > > > > have a device work enough to be able to install the needed firmware > > > > across the network. > > > > > > > > Ideas on how to solve that problem welcome. > > > > > > Sorry if this is way off, but - do we need the GPU firmwares to run a > > > graphical install on the fallback path, just using the framebuffer set > > > up by the firmware? How crazy would it be to just do that - ship the > > > installer env with no GPU firmware? > > > > > > That would be very crazy, as you will have a degraded user experience > > (laggy UI, wrong resolution, ...) to save a couple of megabytes that are > a > > non issue for today's hardware. > > Please bear in mind the difference between bare metal and virtual > machines. The bare metal machine may have 32 GB of RAM, making a > 800 MB install image a non-issue. For a public cloud virtual machine > though, this could bump your VM sizing up 1 level from 2 GB quota > to a 4 GB RAM quota, with correspondingly higher price point. Now > most people probably don't run the installer in a public cloud, > preferring pre-built disk images. Even in a local machine though, > you may be using most of your 32 GB of RAM for other things (well > firefox/chrome), so allowing extra for the VM is not without > resource cost. If we could figure out a way to knock a few 100 MB > off the installer RAM requirements that is valuable. > > The problem I see here is not the presence of the firmware on the image, but the fact that it seems to be loaded into memory despite not being used. > With regards, > Daniel > -- > |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/ > dberrange :| > |: https://libvirt.org -o- > https://fstop138.berrange.com :| > |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/ > dberrange :| > _______________________________________________ > kernel mailing list -- kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to kernel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject. > org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@ > lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora- > infrastructure/new_issue > _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list -- kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kernel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
