I retested the other stuff with -18. I still need nomodeset to boot on the machine with an rv280. Sound and my ups worked OK. When I tried to shutdown -17 it hung on stopping smartd, so I think that maybe the ups and pulseaudio problems were a reflection of a more general problem that either I haven't retriggered or may have been fixed in -18. _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel