On 2018-07-16 06:02, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
Thoughts?
I can only summarize what I already posted to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1227295 :
I think the settings Fedora currently ships are the right thing to do.
Debugging output should always be disabled by default (opt-in). A
de-facto
*nix standard is that there should be no terminal output on success.
GUI
applications in particular should never spam the terminal. And when not
run
in a terminal, they log to .xsession-errors, so the logging spam even
fills
up persistent (HDD/SSD) storage.
I would even silence qWarning by default.
What we could try is going back to building applications with flags
like
-D_NDEBUG -DQT_NO_DEBUG. That would have the advantage of affecting
only the
applications we package, but the drawback that it's a compile-time
setting
and thus it is impossible to opt in to debugging without recompiling.
The
current setup affects everything using the packaged Qt, but can be
changed
by the user.
I also strongly disagree with upstream developers who want to ship
their
applications with default-enabled debugging to their users. For their
own
development purposes, they should edit their local qtlogging.ini. For
their
users, the same arguments as for Fedora-packaged applications hold.
Pretty much this.
Developers shipping debug binaries to 'customers' are a plague.
I have the same issue with our inhouse developers - who generate ~1.9Gb
of logs per week from their mostly idle web apps. To make it worse, none
of it is actually useful.
I feel this is in the same category.
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