On 05/11/2015 09:12 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: <<>> > Digital clock. The problem this causes for me is that if I add the > short date display, the clock becomes too small unless I make the > panel much taller than I would like. Without AM/PM, I don't think > this would be a problem... instead of having panel horizontal, consider vertical along right side of desktop. i am now using kde 4 with panel to right side. on a monitor with a 25.0mm tall screen and 7.0mm wide panel, i am able to show in top down order; kickoff launcher, device notifier, desktop panels, 30 applications, system tray, clock as hh:mm:ss, date as 'wd, dd mm yyyy' with 30 applications minimized, window names are easy to read. i can open an additional 20 to 30 windows and still read names. tho i do not believe i will ever have need for such. as for iso 8601, format is 'vulgar', when time/date is clicked to show calendar, 'first week' is shown in calendar. hth. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org