On Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:17:30 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/26/15 20:44, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 03/26/15 18:18, Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> "but the burden of maintaining two KDE desktops is one too many" was > >>> pretty clear - since nobody maintains KDE4 for F22 you can't stick on it > >> > >> Well, if you're not given the choice then don't you think it wise to > >> remove "KDE Plasma Workspaces" from the choices listed by "dnf group > >> list"? > > > > Why? (It's still called Plasma) > > I suppose what is confusing me is the mixture of terminology. > > With F22 you have packages installed like "kf5-plasma" which the info > describes as "KDE Frameworks 5 Tier 3..." and you have "kde-runtime" which > is described as "Core runtime for KDE 4". So, some places I see 4 and some > places I see 5. There's been big branding change in the software released by the KDE Community and there is also a big mess in the terminology, so people indeed often get confused. We have 3 major products now: KDE Frameworks 5 Set of many libraries split from kdelibs (and other projects) into individual submodules and ported to Qt 5. Those are packaged in Fedora as kf5-foo. kf5- plasma is one of the Frameworks - it's a library that provides Plasma technology , which can be used to build user interfaces (used by Plasma workspace, or for example Amarok to build the main part of UI). Plasma 5: the workspace based on the Plasma technology and related utilities and applets, successor to KDE Workspaces 4 (packaged as kde-workspace). Those are packaged as plasma-* in Fedora (plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop, plasma- nm etc). KDE Applications: self-explanatory - applications created by the KDE Community - includes everything from Dolphin to KDE PIM etc. This currently contain mix of applications based on KDE Frameworks 5 (and Qt 5) and kdelibs4, so it will drag in some KDE 4 deps as well (including kde-runtime). > Then, if I do "dnf group install KDE Plasma Workspaces" I would have > expected one of two things to happen. Either it would tell me that I > already had it installed or it would have offered to install additional > packages that weren't included when F22 was initially installed as that is > what happens with F21. I would not have expected a failure. KDE Plasma Workspaces still gives you KDE Plasma Workspaces, but it gives you Plasma 5 workspace instead of KDE Workspace 4. Hope this clarifies it a bit :-) Cheers, Daniel > > [root@localhost ~]# dnf group install "KDE Plasma Workspaces" > Using metadata from Thu Mar 26 11:00:43 2015 > Error: installed package plasma-nm-openswan-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes > kde-plasma-nm-openswan < 5.0.0-1 provided by > kde-plasma-nm-openswan-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-vpnc-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-vpnc < 5.0.0-1 > provided by kde-plasma-nm-vpnc-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-l2tp-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-l2tp < 5.0.0-1 > provided by kde-plasma-nm-l2tp-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-openvpn-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-openvpn < > 5.0.0-1 provided by kde-plasma-nm-openvpn-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed > package kf5-baloo-file-5.6.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes baloo-file < 5.0.1-2 > provided by baloo-file-4.14.3-1.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-pptp-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm-pptp < 5.0.0-1 > provided by kde-plasma-nm-pptp-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-openconnect-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes > kde-plasma-nm-openconnect < 5.0.0-1 provided by > kde-plasma-nm-openconnect-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-nm-5.2.1-2.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-plasma-nm < 5.0.0-1 provided by > kde-plasma-nm-0.9.3.5-7.fc22.x86_64. installed package > plasma-desktop-doc-5.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64 obsoletes kde-runtime-docs < > 1:14.12.3-2 provided by kde-runtime-docs-14.12.3-2.fc22.noarch -- Daniel Vrátil | dvratil@xxxxxxxxxx | dvratil on #kde-devel, #kontact, #akonadi Software Engineer - KDE Desktop Team, Red Hat Inc. GPG Key: 0xC59D614F6F4AE348 Fingerprint: 4EC1 86E3 C54E 0B39 5FDD B5FB C59D 614F 6F4A E348
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