Is there a list anywhere of what packages are required to get any session to proceed beyond crash notices? Out of more than a dozen, probably more than twice that, of F22 & Rawhide installations, I've only ever seen what KF desktop looks like on one, and that on the slowest system on which I have either installed, an Athlon XP 2000+. I'm not interested in having anything more than the bare minimum, plus Konsole, Konq, Kmix and Ksnapshot. The only "k" groupinstall I"ve found, kde-desktop', wants to add 362 packages to the 112 KDE/KDF packages already installed, among them bluedevil, bluez, kamera, kdegames-minimal, kmail, kontact, multiple NetworkManager leaves, dmraid, firewalld, ghostscript, bazillions of python*, speech-dispatcher, lvm2 and many other packages, all inconsistent with minimalism, and unlikely that I'd ever use on purpose. On the latest, I left the screen just sitting after closing the crash windows. Eventually the locker tried to start, so now my screen's center is covered with illegible (text in some tiny fraction of what I can see without a magnifier) syslogd messages. Switching to a tty to login, I get a continuous flood of syslogd messages about the locker that makes killing startkde tough. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org