Hello, long time lurker here. I understand how you feel. I felt the same way with all this talk of The Fedora Workstation with GNOME and such. I think all that is just release hype. While it is true that a lot of people believe that Fedora = GNOME, I think those people also believe that customizing GNOME = customizing your distro.
Thing is, compared to everywhere else, KDE is treated pretty well in the Fedora community. I've been using KDE on Fedora for a while and the updates are delivered in a timely fashion, the community is nice, the default "group install" gives you a very nice KDE experience and there isn't too much modification to the DE anyway. Compared to things like Kubuntu and such, where you don't get updates quickly and if you're using one DE, be it KDE or XFCE or what have you, you're pretty much stuck to it. KDE on Fedora has given me the fewest problems of any distro out there. Even on Debian Testing, KDE often crashes or becomes unresponsive at times but on Fedora KDE has been a lot more stable for me. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Temlakos <temlakos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 12/09/2014 01:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:17:59PM -0500, Temlakos wrote:With the F21 release, they grudgingly let you upgrade with the "nonproduct" option.I think you're projecting. Command line options do not hold grudges.
But designers of command-line programs do.
But what happens with F22? Will they Shanghai all us KDE users and force us to switch to GNOME, or else get out of the Fedora community?No. Why on earth would we want either of those things?
To rid yourselves of what you might consider a needless complication.
Where is the option to specify KDE as a Product?See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next#What_makes_a_.22product.22.3F and, older, http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-present-and-future-a-fedora-next-2014-update-part-ii-whats-happening/ As for upgrading, there's no particular _reason_ to need a KDE-specific option at this point, but if in the future the KDE SIG would like to increase differentiation from the defaults in a way that would make it useful, an option could be added.
By the way: the link I found to spins.fedoraproject.org/ still has the links for the old F20 spin torrents. Is that an oversight on someone's part?
Indeed: I read and understand what you wrote on those pages. I even read what you wrote about a discussion either to create a specific Plasma product, or to invite the "KDE Sig" to take active roles in the development of the Workstation project. I read what you wrote, but it's not happening. What is happening is a monumental disdain for any desktop other than GNOME.
I chose KDE for a reason: GNOME is just plain too confusing when it comes to "switching a user." For that reason, and a whole host of pleasant discoveries of how well KDE replicates another environment with which I am familiar, I chose KDE beginning with F12. And I never looked back.Cool. KDE is great, the Fedora KDE community is awesome, and the Fedora KDE spin is top-notch.
I agree. I just want to make sure the KDE spin is in no danger of discontinuance.
Temlakos
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