So this afternoon, I downloaded F20 Gnome 3 live cd, burned it to a USB stick and tried it for 20 min. hahaha is all I can say.... I felt like I was using UNITY in ( Ubuntu default) Gnome3. lots of clicking and I found the programs menu confusing compaired to Unity's where it shows you EVERYTHING where the gnome 3 menu is like sub divided off ( for the admin options) I am just looking for an alternative to KDE, been using it for so long just kinda bored with it unfortantly here in Kubuntu. =[ Christopher _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org