sadly 4.1..2 suffers the same problem........... Am 19.09.2013 10:36, schrieb Daniel Vrátil: > On Wednesday 18 of September 2013 20:35:38 Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter: >>> On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>>> ktp finally pulls gtk-dep >>> >>> Like what? >> >> maybe this has changed in F19 >> >> 52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that >> Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex >> >> the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support >> filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat > > That might have been because of Facebook migrating to new servers - many > people had problems. Now it works again. while at the same time kopete worked? i do not need a *multi* protocol messenger when i need for each service a different one >> or our own jabber server > > That's weird. Maybe you need to disable SSL, or enable "Ignore SSL errors"? i do not take a application serious which doe snot ask in case of a self-signed certificate like browsers and mail clients do over decades nor do i buy certificates for LAN services >> and the fact that it does not minimize to systray >> and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it >> unuseable for me > > If the concern is about staying online, when KTp contactlist is closed you are > /not/ disconnected. The connection is maintained by Telepathy in the > background. > > You can also add "Presence Applet" to systray, which will show your presence > (status), allows to change it via popup menu and when you left-click the > applet, it will open the contact list (so you get effectively the same behavior > as with Kopete). Additionally there's a Plasma applet with contact list that > can be nicely embedded into the panel so you don't even need to open a new > window. a desktop application tehse days needs proper usability out-of-the-box and not force the user to search manually for plasma addons >> with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends >> and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really >> needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems) > > Not sure how that would help - most of the 52MB is taken by Telepathy and it's > dependencies. KTp itself is quite small (and you can uninstall parts you don't > need). > > Looking at the dependencies, it's a bit unfortunate that ktp-accounts-kcm > pulls in so many Telepathy backends - most people could probably do just with > telepathy-gabble (XMPP)... exactly that is my point all these sub-packages are completly nonsense as long there are endless dependency chains pulling them all > Also please note that Kopete is considered unmaintained (although there were a > few patches in 4.11) and it's future (longterm) is unclear i am aware of this and it makes me very unhappy that the one mesenger with a perfect UI and only missing some features like video-chat is dying and the other is no useable replacement for now nor that i want the GNOME alternatives on my system if i could i would do "yum remove \*gtk\*"
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