Last night I noticed a lot of 4.8.* rpms in updates-testing, so I decided to have go: sudo yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update "KDE Software Compilation" Now I find that Kwin crashes on login, leaving me without a window manager, and hence unable even to focus on a console window. Kwin is from kde-workspace-4.8.1-2.fc16.x86_64. The problem occurs even when I rename .kde and try again. Writing this from FVWM (which is very functional and fast BTW :-) poc _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org