On Sat 30 April 2011 14:36:02 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > ----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung ----- > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin@xxxxxxx> > > > > wrote: > > > On Saturday 30 April 2011 22:04:12 Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > OpenSUSE 11.3 (which KWin claims is insufficient > > > > in terms of it's Mesa version) isn't even 9 months old. > > > > > > > > Please take steps to improve the user experience. > > > > > > And here we have a conflict of possibilities. Mesa developers want > > > us > > > to drop support for older drivers so that we can have a more secure > > > way of checking the capabilities without getting broken by the > > > drivers > > > if they do changes. Now you ask us to improve the user experience by > > > again relying on possibly broken checks. We cannot support old and > > > modern drivers at the same time - at least it looks like that. > > > > Note that I didn't ask for support for Mesa 7.9 or earlier. What I > > asked for is that your configuration ui makes it explicit that > > Compositing is unavailable due to Mesa being too old. > > KWin has never provided information like that for cases like software > rasterizer being used or crashers when activating KWin. In fact compositing > is in all such cases possible through XRender. Some issues like e.g. > Software Rasterizer being used or Mesa being outdated can only be > discovered when actually using the driver and is by that not available to > the config module. > > Kwin could show a notification which does not help as the user would never > be able to see it. And as explained in my previous mail users will not hit > the problem: all modern distributions ship mesa 7.10 and we will > communicate in the release note and also to the distributions that KWin > requires Mesa 7.10. Hmmm, that's unfortunate. Fedora 14 won't get kde-workspace 4.7 then, it looks like, since it's stuck on mesa 7.9 for the forseeable future. :( Six months !modern, I suppose...? > > The only reason > > I knew is because I grepped ~/.xsession-errors. > > Which is totally fine as you are an experienced user. > > > I know people do in-place upgrades of their KDE installations - they > > will run right into this. > > They won't. Either they are experienced and compile by themselves or use > distro packages which will know about the increased requirement. > > > > No current distribution is shipping less than Mesa 7.10 and the > > > change > > > is for KWin 4.7 which will be only used by either current > > > distributions or the next distribution releases, e.g. OpenSUSE 12.0. > > > > > > I am sorry to say that we are not able to fullfill your wish. It is > > > unlikely that a "user" will face such an issue. We will clearly > > > communicate in our release notes that KWin 4.7 will require Mesa > > > 7.10. > > > A developer has no problem with lack of notification as we print out > > > a > > > debug statement. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Martin > > > > Regards, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@xxxxxxx > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ === http://rix.si/page/contact/ if you need a word
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