2010/9/5 Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx>
Manuel Escudero wrote:No. It was a screwed up setup on your end, as the replies have evidenced.
> Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going
> to be based on KDE 4.5?
And FWIW, the version of kdelibs (4.5.x) is irrelevant for Skype (and the
rest of the KDE stuff even more so), only Qt matters. Skype does not use any
KDE libraries.
Nonsense. Ekiga and several other applications support video calls just
> Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But
> without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented
> in IM Clients Linux have.
fine, cross-platform and using the standard SIP protocol.
What you call "fanaticism about opensource" is one of Fedora's core
> And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in
> ambassadors mailing list:
principles. If you don't believe in it, you should really reconsider being
an Ambassador for Fedora!
Sure you can. Skype accounts are free, only communication from/to phones is
> Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is that
> many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users
> who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE.
charged for, so they wouldn't even lose money.
You can also tell them to run a second VoIP app using the standard SIP
protocol in parallel (i.e. keeping Skype too), there's nothing which stops
them from doing that either.
This is already solved, but if it weren't, we wouldn't care. We do not
> We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue
> that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone
> finds a solution.
support proprietary software, never have, never will. If it works, good for
you, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
That's exactly why using Skype is so harmful, not only do you force yourself
> Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software supports
> skype's protocol? The answer is NO.
into using proprietary software, but the other end as well!
I call it "believing in the value of freedom".
> and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism...
Fedora considers itself to be 100% Free. There is a known disagreement with
> If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to
> UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by
> the Gnu Foundation.
the FSF over the issue of firmware, but as Skype is definitely NOT firmware,
this is irrelevant.
Fedora believes strongly in freedom, it's one of our core objectives. If
this isn't what matters to you, change to some distribution which doesn't
care, e.g. Linux Mint.
Kevin Kofler
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