On 7/4/2010 10:01 PM, Eli Wapniarski wrote: > OK... not never.... But you've pretty much made my point. And I quote > > And I quote > > "We hope to make a production-ready kdepim 4.5 > available concurrently with KDE SC 4.5.1 or KDE SC 4.5.2, > depending on how well our beta testing goes." > > We are currently testing kde 4.5. Not kde 4.5.1 We're currently testing what the KDE SIG believes will be part of future Fedora releases; this includes the future kdepim release of which there is a beta now. The KDE SIG likes to closely track pre-releases of fu- ture KDE releases. This way, it can have the required packaging changes figured out by the time the final rolls around, and can help upstream by providing feed- back on the pre-releases. (Contrast that with e.g. Debian, who started work on KDE 4.4 packaging when 4.4.0 was released, and were surprised about dependency changes that the Fedora KDE SIG had figured out *months* earlier.) Spec files for KDE pre-releases for which the final is expected to make it in time for the upcoming Fedo- ra release (as is the case for kdepim 4.5 btw, you read the schedule, and read Thomas' mail) get commit- ted to rawhide. Then they are usually also built for the current stable releases and put into kde-unstable, so the Fedora KDE community can provide feedback and assist without testing without having to run all of rawhide (see Kevin's mail). You're asking for an exception to this process to be made for the kdepim 4.5 beta. If you were granted this exception, the kdepim 4.5 packages which the KDE SIG expects to be in Fedora 14 will receive less testing than they otherwise would, since they're less accessible to the Fedora KDE community. That's not conducive to the quality of Fedora 14. The fact is simply that kdepim 4.5 is the future, and we better make sure it's a good future, and that's what kde- unstable is for. If you don't want to help testing - that's fine, of course - don't use kde-unstable. > Eli -- Best regards, Eike Hein