On 20 March 2010 11:00, Martin Kho <lists.kho at gmail.com> wrote: >> Thomas Janssen wrote: >> > Since i was the one who suggested it.. :) I do understand you but, if >> > the KDE alternative is just giving a very basic functionality and is >> > having problems (VPN IIRC) then we should consider using what works >> > well, gives more output, does not suggest (again at the beginning of >> > an update to reboot) stupid things. >> >> Uh, VPN problems are a NM/KNM issue, not a KPK one. >> >> The "suggests a reboot too early" bug is bizarre indeed, I should look if I >> can silence those reboot prompts. (I'm for silencing them entirely, KDE >> users are smart enough to know when they need to restart their computer. >> ;-) It'd also probably be the fastest way to zap that bug once and for >> all.) >> >> Another thing I noticed is that KPK doesn't recognize different update >> types anymore after the latest PK update. :-( >> >> I think what needs to happen here is that more people need to test PK >> updates in testing and that those updates need to be BLOCKED from getting >> pushed to stable if they break KPK. Throwing out KPK is entirely the wrong >> solution for such regressions introduced by PK updates. (Neither of the >> above bugs happened before the latest PK update. It's not KPK's fault that >> PK breaks backwards compatibility under it.) >> >> One problem is that PK/KPK (and GPK, too) moves so fast that, even when I'm >> running the latest Fedora release, I'm still always running an already >> deprecated branch, so spending time fixing things might not pay off. (But >> on the other hand, F12 still has 9 months or so to live, so I guess fixing >> F12 issues is beneficial in any case.) >> >> > KPK is in my eyes, ugly, unreliable and too basic. I suggested to you >> > as well to try the latest GNOME-packagekit to see what i mean. >> > I think KPK is on it's way, but not yet ready. >> >> Yet KPK just works. (Neither of the above 2 bugs is a showstopper, they're >> just minor annoyances that can be easily worked around.) > > Hi, > Sure? In F12 the latest PackageKit (0.5.7-1) have broken kpackagekit's > automatic update notification. In F13 automatic notification didn't ever work. > And in Rawhide/F14 I had to remove kpackagekit to update my system. Are these > 'minor annoyances'? (I know, bz them... :-)) > Two corrections: (1) F13 = Rawhide/F14 and Rawhide/F14 = F13; (2) Removing KpackageKitSmartIcon.notfyrc solved the issue in F12. Sorry for the noise :-) Martin Kho > PackageKit develops very fast, that's great. But I get the impression that the > developers/maintainers are not too good in communicating what they are > doing/changing. This must be very frustrating for the kpackagekit > developers/maintainers to keep up with these changes. I don't like to have > gnome-PackageKit in KDE either. I miss programming capabilities, but if I had > them I would create an alternative not depending on PackageKit. IMHO, a > package manager is a very critical app. What about reviving the package > manager that lived in kde 3? > > Martin Kho > >> >> > If we dont want to lose users to GNOME because of not fully working, >> > suggesting stupid things KDE apps, we might better use the >> > alternative, even if it's written GTK/GTK+. >> > By the way, should everybody use the GNOME SPIN as well because there >> > are no QT alternatives for the installed system-config-* utility's in >> > the KDE SPIN? ;) >> >> We actually do have alternatives for some of them, but the GTK+ app gets >> dragged in by Anaconda's dependencies. :-( For example, there is KUser in >> kdeadmin which can be used instead of system-config-users. This Anaconda >> dependency bloat is one of the unsolved problems. Others are stuff I use >> once and never again (e.g. system-config-selinux, to turn the crap off and >> never look at it again). It's not the same as a package updater which users >> will be running daily. >> >> ? ? ? ? Kevin Kofler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kde mailing list >> kde at lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde >> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org >
