I think this is related to the "kded4" crashing but not sure how. When I try to use KPackageKit to find a package under "Software Management" it now hangs with the message at bottom "waiting on other tesks". If I do a yum install it also hangs after printing "Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit" and can only exit it with kill -9. I think maybe if kpkgkit waits long enough that kded4 finally crashes. So this may be what others see too. But yum hanging was not reported I don't think and I wasn't seeing it earlier. I have tried log off/on, restart X, power off/on and nothing helps. Network connection still good. -gene