Re: The state of mailing lists/mailman (not great)

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On Mon, 5 Sept 2022 at 03:13, Matthias Runge <mrunge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 02/09/2022 22:10, Stephen Smoogen wrote:

> This lowered the long term load average but now led to reports where the
> mailman REST daemon does not respond in time due to timeouts. Looking at
> what is going on in the logs, and reading through the forums, my guess
> was these are issues due to the old django and early mailman we are using.
>
> At this point I started to look at what would be needed to update
> mailman to a newer version which could be supported on Fedora or RHEL9.
> The main issues are setting up the django "project" and then making sure
> that the needed packages are available. The upstream 'recommended' ways
> are to use either venv or containers but I found that the solutions are
> for a) docker, b) have a lot of security vulnerabilities in the quay
> listing and c) using it looks like Debian/Ubuntu packages. There is also
> a lot of customization needed to the point it might be best to start
> from scratch on that.
>
> I am thinking it might make better sense to work out a project and
> layout in staging, get a copy of the database from db01 and try
> experiments to make it work until we either burn it all down or not.
>


I'd be curious on the django version and release issues. The way the
project is working (regular releases, release often,...) and getting
long term support does not really work well with a community-based
approach ("the community will keep the version alive", "do backports",
etc) with epel packages.


I forgot to answer you on this. These are the versions being used.

django-assets-0.8-1.el7.centos.noarch
hyperkitty-1.1.5-0.1.el7.centos.noarch
hyperkitty-selinux-1.1.5-0.1.el7.centos.noarch
mailman3-3.1.1-0.6.el7.centos.noarch
mailman3-fedmsg-plugin-0.5-6.el7.noarch
mailman3-hyperkitty-1.1.1-0.2.el7.centos.noarch
mailman3-selinux-3.1.1-0.6.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-1.8.8-2.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-allauth-0.34.0-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-appconf-1.0.2-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-bash-completion-1.8.8-2.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-browserid-2.0.2-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-compressor-2.0-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-extensions-1.6.1-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-gravatar2-1.0.6-2.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-haystack-2.5.0-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-haystack-xapian-2.0.0-2.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-mailman3-1.1.1-0.3.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-paintstore-0.2-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-picklefield-0.3.2-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-q-0.7.18-1.el7.centos.noarch
python-django-rest-framework-3.3.3-1.el7.centos.noarch

 
While there is a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2033064
to get django in EPEL, I'm not sure how much this would help you here?

Would be hosting on Fedora an alternative?

Matthias
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