Hi Jean-Baptiste, please see my comments inline.
Regards,
Carlos.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Le 2016-10-11 08:04, Alex Eng a écrit :
Jean-Baptise,
I'm not sure what you mean by "create policy page"? Do we have policy
page that I'm not aware of?
and remove it from fedora.zanata.org [2]? Remove which page from
Zanata?
English native doing that to evade the subject...
Not sure what is being implied here, but Alex is genuinely not aware of what you meant here, and neither was I until you clarified it was the Zanata terms of use page, so thank you for said clarification.
Let's rewrite it :
Well, thank you for your answer:
* can you create a dedicated Zanata Policy page ?
We already did this, and it's the one you see at the moment. You however pointed out it doesn't align with Fedora policy. It can be changed by any admin in the system when a new url is provided. We have admin rights in the system, but we'd prefer if these changes were done by a Fedora l10n admin (e.g. Noriko) as this is their responsibility and they have stated they prefer all changes to go through them. I also imagine there needs to be some discussion about any such changes with the community as a whole.
* can you remove Piwiki script from Fedora.Zanata.org to respect Fedora Policy ?
Same thing here. It can be done, but please have one of the l10n admins take care of the change. In this particular case I would really urge the community to consider keeping the setting as it provides the development team valuable information about how Zanata is being used. But alas if this goes against policy then we will just have to make due.
To answer your question, I'm surprised you do not know you have a terms page using RedHat policy page: http://zanata.org/terms
Let me quote the content:
12. Privacy Statement
Red Hat agrees to use your personal information in accordance with the Privacy Policy published at http://www.redhat.com/legal/privacy_statement.html (the "Red Hat Privacy Policy") and the Terms. The Red Hat Privacy Policy is hereby incorporated by reference into these Terms. In the event of any conflict between these Terms and the Red Hat Privacy Policy, the Red Hat Privacy Policy shall control.
As far as I understand Red Hat Privacy Policy, it doesn't respect it either. It is done for a website browsing usage and not for collaborative tool.
I'm sad to notice mailing list guidelines are not respected either : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Please respect https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/PrivacyPolicy
I'm curious as to which part of the mailing list guidelines you feel is not being respected by Zanata. Would you care to elaborate?
Values are important, it's what make us work together, gathering every information we can about user is not something we should encourage.
Agreed on values. We are happy to help wherever we can, but please understand Zanata is in no way attempting to 'gather every information' about its users. Whatever information it tracks is akin to system logs, to be used to analyze and improve the platform. But like I said before, the community can elect to opt out of this, and the admins have the capability to do it.
Please notice it hurt to see you set the statistics you want as a developpement team, while you do not set the statistics we need to help Language Coordination in Zanata.
Not sure I understand your point here. Do you wish to see some of the piwik statistics which could help with language coordination? If so, we would be happy to share those with the community.
Or, are you talking about new features in Zanata for the same purpose?
Furthermore, should we move this thread to the l10n mailing list and out of the Infra one?
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