On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:14:42PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 03:57:57PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > I thought I would start a bit of discussion on url shorteners. > > > > In the past we had paste.fedoraproject.org output a short url for every > > paste using the 'ur1.ca' service. ur1.ca is nice because they are 100% > > open source. However, at some point they became very slow, so the > > command line 'fpaste' tool would take a long time and then eventually > > timeout. So, we disabled that and haven't been doing any short urls for > > pastes. > > > > There are however some places where people have requested we use url > > shorteners over the years: > > > > * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/5173 > > > > The mailman3 archived-at header link (which is a link to the > > hyperkitty archive of a specific post). It's long and ugly like: > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/EOIQM6E32PSGAHVYBY5OSFXKDHE33ZCQ/ > > > > * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4450 > > Short redirects to LiveCD images (including spins) > > > > This could apply to any of the common media we point people to. > > > > * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4931 > > fpaste using ur1.ca. > > (The use case here is if you have a machine barely on the net so you > > can use the fpaste command to paste something, but need to retype that > > url into another computer to get someone else to help you look at it, > > the short url is much easier to type. > > > > * Other service that uses urls that might be nice to shorten for some > > reason. I'm sure we could think of more places they might be handy. > > > > So, options: > > > > 1. Just punt and keep going the way we are. We have lived without them > > this long. > > I would point 2 things: > > - URL shorteners may not have a long enough life for some use case. > While I do not care about longevity of a paste I use on irc for being helped, > it would be more annoying losing the url of a permanent document if someone > use that on a webpage or a email. > > - URL shortener tend to be abused a bit by spammer/malware, and > some mail providers (like Google) do block mail with some url shortner, or too > much url shortener (for example, goog.le). It caused a few headaches for me > on ovirt.org ml. > > So I think url shortener is fine for fpaste and redirect to livecd (because > they are shortlived and/or people can find them with context anyway), a bit > less for hyperkitty archives. I always thought HK should have its own URL shortener, maybe assigning a UUID per email, unique across all lists and domains. This would already cut the URLs from say: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/EOIQM6E32PSGAHVYBY5OSFXKDHE33ZCQ/ to http://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/msg/EOIQM6E32PSGAHVYBY5OSFXKDHE33ZCQ Pierre _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
