============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-10-24) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-10-24/infrastructure.2013-10-24-19.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:02) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:01:41) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:09:14) * http://ambre.pingoured.fr/fedora-infra/ is a current list of outstanding pull requests for fedora-infra github projects. Please help review them. (nirik, 19:14:57) * faitout implementation: http://209.132.184.152/faitout/ (nirik, 19:15:29) * fedocal 0.3 is making great progress. Out soon. Preview at: https://209.132.184.147/ (nirik, 19:15:53) * new fedora-tagger in staging: https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/tagger (nirik, 19:17:13) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/tahrir/issues/174 (threebean, 19:19:15) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/tahrir/issues/163 (threebean, 19:19:19) * LINK: https://github.com/rajcze/testdays_frontend and jskladan would be the one to talk to. (nirik, 19:21:10) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search (nirik, 19:33:53) * renewed discussion of search solutions, will bring up on list/update wiki pages (nirik, 19:36:07) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:36:20) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:45:35) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:45:36) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:46:33) Meeting ended at 19:51:24 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (98) * frankieonuonga (42) * threebean (26) * pingou (26) * kushal (15) * rtnpro (11) * smooge (8) * tflink (7) * croberts (7) * zodbot (6) * sayan (4) * besser82 (3) * charul (3) * lmacken (2) * ynchen (1) * cpallares (1) * misc (1) * ianweller (1) * ausmarton (1) * relrod (0) * mdomsch (0) * puiterwijk (0) * abadger1999 (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-10-24) 19:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 24 19:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:30 <threebean> :) 19:00:31 * lmacken 19:00:34 * pingou here 19:00:35 * ynchen here 19:00:39 <smooge> here 19:00:42 <kushal> Kushal is here 19:00:44 * frankieonuonga is here 19:01:11 <nirik> hey everyone. 19:01:17 <croberts> hi nirik 19:01:34 <frankieonuonga> nirik: hi 19:01:41 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:01:42 <frankieonuonga> croberts: hi 19:01:53 <croberts> frankieonuonga: hey 19:01:54 * ausmarton is here 19:01:56 <nirik> any new folks today? or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:02:11 <kushal> nirik, I want some tasks :) 19:02:13 <pingou> and there she comes :) 19:02:28 * ianweller is sorta here 19:02:28 <nirik> kushal: cool. ;) we will see what we can come up with. 19:02:32 <nirik> there's the easyfix ones... 19:02:56 <croberts> nirik: i am going to close out ticket 3765 19:03:14 <nirik> .ticket 3765 19:03:15 <zodbot> nirik: #3765 (wiki login timeout too short) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3765 19:03:16 <croberts> everything is working as normal for timeouts tested it with 1 other person and multiple machines 19:03:24 <nirik> ok, great! 19:03:27 <croberts> :) 19:03:31 <sayan> nirik, hi, i am new today :) 19:03:44 <nirik> sayan: welcome. :) 19:03:51 <frankieonuonga> welcome sayan 19:03:58 <threebean> we have some OPW people around for the first time today 19:04:04 <nirik> sayan: are you more interested in sysadmin type tasks? or application maint/development? 19:04:04 <pingou> \ó/ 19:04:10 <kushal> sayan, was a gsoc student this year, working under me for darkserver 19:04:11 <threebean> opw -> http://gnome.org/opw 19:04:12 <nirik> welcome OPW folks! 19:04:20 <rtnpro> nirik: Hey, I am new today too 19:04:27 <nirik> kushal: ah, ok. 19:04:54 <cpallares> hi! I'm new too. 19:05:16 <frankieonuonga> welcome cpallares 19:05:19 <nirik> if any new folks would like to give a short intro of who they are/wanting to work on, that would be great. :) 19:05:24 <sayan> nirik, application maint/development 19:05:27 <rtnpro> nirik, I used to work for Transifex and I contributed to Askbot 19:05:43 <rtnpro> kushal: Hi 19:05:58 <nirik> sayan: great. :) See #fedora-apps after the meeting and we can see about finding you things to work on. 19:05:58 <charul> Hi Everyone 19:06:11 <frankieonuonga> charul: Hi 19:06:25 <nirik> rtnpro: great. We have some folks working on askbot now... possibly could use some assistance on that. I can point you to them after the meeting... 19:06:46 <sayan> I am Sayan Chowdhury, I have earlier worked on Askbot and on darkserver for google summer of code 19:06:56 <threebean> rtnpro: yeah, we are lucky to have you around for that :) 19:06:58 <charul> I am working on datagrepper 19:07:21 <nirik> great to see so many new folks. ;) 19:07:22 <rtnpro> :) 19:07:29 <pingou> hi sayan, nice to see you here :) 19:07:58 <sayan> pingou, hi 19:08:28 <threebean> charul, cpallares: welcome, welcome. 19:08:51 <nirik> ok, new folks please see #fedora-apps channel for application devel stuff and #fedora-admin or #fedora-noc for sysadmin side after the meeting and hopefully we can help get you started. :) 19:09:14 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:09:25 <nirik> Any application side news or discussion this week? 19:09:28 <charul> threebean: thanks :) 19:09:39 <nirik> I'll note that F20 beta slipped a week, so we will be in freeze another week. ;( 19:09:49 * pingou has a bunch a application news 19:10:00 <threebean> pingou: yeah, go for it. 19:10:10 <pingou> I re-wrote the pull-request list page: http://ambre.pingoured.fr/fedora-infra/ (from code from threebean ) 19:10:21 <nirik> (for new folks: we "freeze" around fedora milestone releases... 2 weeks before. Only approved targeted changes are allowed, this makes sure that we can release Fedora with no disruptions) 19:10:41 <pingou> last week abompard and I came up with the idea and later the implementation for faitout: http://209.132.184.152/faitout/ 19:11:03 <nirik> pingou: so those are outstanding pulls that need review? or all outstanding pulls? 19:11:05 <pingou> I have made quite some progress on fedocal, release 0.3 is around the corner, preview is at https://209.132.184.147/ 19:11:19 <pingou> nirik: all open pull-requests 19:11:48 <nirik> yeah, I guess there's no way to tell whats reviewed... but still great stuff. ;) 19:12:05 <pingou> it doesn't say if review is in progress yeah 19:12:20 <pingou> I might be able to add it though, will check 19:12:46 * nirik saw all the changes for fedocal going by. Tons of work there. ;) great stuff. 19:13:14 <threebean> yeah, pingou, I agree. really pumped :) 19:13:20 <kushal> pingou, love that UI :) 19:13:37 <lmacken> +1 19:13:38 <pingou> using faitout I found out some bugs on fedocal, unit-tests are great but sqlite vs postgresql kinda generate tricky situation :( 19:13:49 <pingou> kushal: kiss right? :D 19:14:05 <pingou> (keep it safe and simple) 19:14:15 * pingou eof I think :) 19:14:24 <kushal> pingou, I guess then I don't have to update darkserver UI 19:14:31 <kushal> <eom> 19:14:57 <nirik> #info http://ambre.pingoured.fr/fedora-infra/ is a current list of outstanding pull requests for fedora-infra github projects. Please help review them. 19:15:11 <pingou> oh, jenkins is on the list of IP that can get unlimited connections to faitout, so feel free to use faitout on jenkins :) 19:15:29 <nirik> #info faitout implementation: http://209.132.184.152/faitout/ 19:15:53 <nirik> #info fedocal 0.3 is making great progress. Out soon. Preview at: https://209.132.184.147/ 19:16:18 <pingou> thanks to kparal and tflink for all the bug reports and testing on fedocal :) 19:16:44 <nirik> excellent. 19:16:48 <threebean> from my side, a new fedora-tagger release went into staging this week with some fixes for the new gnome-software, some UI improvements, and a bugfix to db-updater cronjob. https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/tagger 19:17:08 <threebean> there's also some renewed work happening on the badges app, nothing released yet. 19:17:13 <nirik> #info new fedora-tagger in staging: https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/tagger 19:17:23 <threebean> there are some more issues I'd like to solve still before any releases there. 19:17:41 <nirik> fair enough. 19:17:49 <pingou> threebean: could you mark these? 19:18:02 * threebean nods 19:18:05 <threebean> i'll go try and find them 19:19:13 <nirik> One other thing application wise that just came up... the qa folks have a test day application running the fedora private cloud. There was talk about how to move that to production... and I think we decided to not do so right now. 19:19:15 <threebean> https://github.com/fedora-infra/tahrir/issues/174 19:19:19 <threebean> https://github.com/fedora-infra/tahrir/issues/163 19:19:34 * threebean tags them as next-release 19:19:36 <nirik> but if anyone is interested in helping redo it in flask, etc, I am sure they would love help 19:20:05 <pingou> threebean: nice 19:20:20 <pingou> nirik: do we have the sources and a qa contact for the project? 19:21:10 <nirik> https://github.com/rajcze/testdays_frontend and jskladan would be the one to talk to. 19:21:44 <threebean> ok. 19:21:46 <nirik> it's TG2 and was mostly a proof of concept app. 19:22:14 <tflink> yeah, we got caught by surprise with the "lets use it for all the test days" stuff :) 19:22:18 <nirik> any other application news? 19:23:02 <frankieonuonga> yes 19:23:19 <frankieonuonga> I am running a little slow on optimization of dpsearch 19:23:27 <frankieonuonga> i have had a crazy time at work of late 19:23:43 <frankieonuonga> I however can prmise by next week tue to have sent out a proper report 19:23:46 <nirik> frankieonuonga: no worries. 19:23:47 <kushal> frankieonuonga, what is dpsearch? 19:23:49 <frankieonuonga> and suggested changes 19:23:49 <nirik> cool. :) 19:24:11 <nirik> kushal: search engine... we are looking at setting up something to search all our applications/data. 19:24:44 <kushal> nirik, ok, are we looking at something as a backend? say elasticsearch etc ? 19:25:07 <nirik> kushal: well, we want something that can crawl, store and has a frontend. 19:25:18 <kushal> nirik, ok 19:25:20 <rtnpro> frankieonuonga: something like dxr? 19:25:25 <nirik> unless we wanted to write our own... and not sure we do. seems like it would be a lot of work. ;) 19:25:29 <rtnpro> nirik: ^^ 19:25:47 <frankieonuonga> nirik: in the long run I think we have to 19:26:03 <nirik> rtnpro: thats source only? 19:26:08 <frankieonuonga> i saw what the chaps at debain had and was left shocked 19:26:18 <nirik> well, I hope not, but we can see. 19:26:20 <rtnpro> nirik: yes 19:26:29 <nirik> well, we want this mainly for docs and wiki... 19:26:41 <rtnpro> nirik: ok 19:26:43 <threebean> +askbot 19:26:58 <nirik> yeah, askbot too would be good... and meetbot logs. 19:27:25 <besser82> nirik: how about python-pattern: http://www.clips.ua.ac.be/pattern ? 19:27:40 <rtnpro> threebean: +1 19:28:06 <nirik> besser82: no idea, looks like it has no frontend? 19:28:34 <besser82> nirik: depends on what think to be a 'frontend' 19:28:59 <nirik> fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 19:29:02 <nirik> .ticket 1055 19:29:04 <zodbot> nirik: #1055 (Fedora Search Engine) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055 19:29:28 <nirik> besser82: something someone can go to a web page and search for things with? ;) 19:30:00 <nirik> last time we looked, dpsearch was the best fit... 19:30:14 <nirik> if it doesn't work out, happy to see other ideas and if they could work 19:30:16 <frankieonuonga> nirik: we really need to change that 19:30:37 <nirik> change what? 19:30:55 <frankieonuonga> the platform in the long run 19:30:59 <frankieonuonga> do our own thing. 19:31:10 <tflink> our own indexer? why? 19:31:25 <nirik> it might come to that... but really it seems like a problem that would have some solution in the open source community. 19:31:41 <smooge> indexing is hard. lets go work on kernels 19:31:48 <kushal> smooge, :) 19:31:50 <frankieonuonga> and most amazing thing i found this week #fedora-java . I know I can be insisting sometimes 19:32:00 <pingou> smooge: count me in 19:32:08 <frankieonuonga> but java has a lot of work done on search in the community 19:32:11 <frankieonuonga> open source 19:32:21 <tflink> yeah, but those solutions aren't perfect, either 19:32:21 <frankieonuonga> they are miles ahead 19:32:25 <frankieonuonga> true 19:32:27 <nirik> of course it's happened before. You would think there would be a good calendar solution out there that would fit our needs... but turns out... not so much. 19:32:33 <tflink> but agreed that the lucene ecosystem gets the most attention 19:32:45 <frankieonuonga> tflink: check out nutch 19:32:47 <besser82> nirik: pattern would need some handmade interface for displaying a website or similar, but shouldn't be that hard... 19:32:51 <tflink> do we have requirements listed somewhere? 19:33:02 <nirik> tflink: the wiki page I think has them... 19:33:08 <kushal> nirik, link ? 19:33:14 <frankieonuonga> interface is the simple part ..not a problem at all. 19:33:14 <tflink> I'm going to be evaluating indexers for school over the next couple of weeks and can keep an eye out for non-java solutions 19:33:20 <rtnpro> fedora can have something like http://dxr.mozilla.org/ 19:33:29 <frankieonuonga> tflink: sure share. 19:33:43 <frankieonuonga> the better if we get something in python better than what we have now 19:33:47 <frankieonuonga> it would work well 19:33:53 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 19:34:00 <frankieonuonga> most of what i am doing now is optimization 19:34:17 <frankieonuonga> but I really\ need to update that page 19:34:30 <nirik> yeah, it's quite old. I can try and update it too 19:34:46 <kushal> rtnpro, we are not looking for a code search engine but more of a text search engine 19:35:01 <nirik> perhaps we could discuss further ideas on the list? 19:35:22 <tflink> wfm 19:35:37 <frankieonuonga> nirik: lets do that after the meeting..we can hit it up on fedora-admin and discuss 19:35:44 <nirik> sure. 19:36:07 <nirik> #info renewed discussion of search solutions, will bring up on list/update wiki pages 19:36:20 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:36:24 <rtnpro> kushal: I get that, but a tool like dxr is very helpful for contributors 19:36:42 <nirik> I was hoping toshio would be around to report back on ansiblefest, but I guess he's not. ;( 19:37:03 <nirik> been reasonably quiet in sysadmin land since we are in freeze. 19:37:05 <smooge> I am sort of here 19:37:06 * threebean nods 19:37:22 <nirik> There was a nfs/netapp outage last night when they were doing maint... which was anoying. They are looking into why. 19:37:35 <smooge> ouch 19:37:58 <nirik> our download boxes/pub mount was not working 19:37:59 <pingou> btw, I was wondering about moving fedocal from puppet to ansible with the new version, any opinion? 19:38:16 <nirik> pingou: sounds like a good plan to me. 19:38:18 <threebean> +1 19:38:27 <threebean> i have the same plan for tagger at the next available window 19:38:35 <pingou> cool :) 19:38:39 <nirik> yeah, after freeze will be easier. 19:39:19 <threebean> i was messing with ansible and it occurred to me that 'delegate_to:' could be really useful for our nagios configs. 19:39:26 <nirik> I'd like to move some other stuff too after freeze. 19:39:30 <nirik> like virthosts should be easy 19:39:51 <nirik> threebean: yeah, to silence alerts? yep 19:40:08 <threebean> oo, I was thinking more of syncing monitored/monitoring hosts 19:40:36 <nirik> like a 'check this service now since I just restarted it' ? 19:40:40 <misc> you mean like exported config in puppet ? 19:40:54 <threebean> for a host, we say "you should have check x, y, and z". the tasks run that make sure those nrpe plugins are installed on that host, and then we "delegate_to:" the nagios head to set up the corresponding configs. 19:41:05 <nirik> ah right. 19:41:18 <nirik> we have talked about that in the past a number of times, but might be complex to do. 19:41:21 <nirik> it would be nice tho. 19:41:22 * threebean nods 19:42:01 <threebean> i'll mess with it more on my own.. maybe I can have something to point to then :) 19:42:25 <nirik> ok 19:42:49 <nirik> not much more I can think of sysadmin side... smooge: you think of anything to mention? 19:43:01 <smooge> not much. budgets 19:43:15 <nirik> oh, did you hear anything back about the tape drive? 19:43:22 <smooge> nope. will ping shaun 19:43:24 <nirik> (our tape drive got confused the other day) 19:43:42 <smooge> did it fix itself? I have gone from being ill to sick to ill 19:43:47 * frankieonuonga wondering how a tape drive gets confused 19:43:56 <smooge> so I am sort of confused on status at the moment 19:44:11 <nirik> well, it could talk to the drive, but not the library, so it couldn't unload or load any other tapes. 19:44:34 <nirik> and it wanted another tape. 19:44:35 <frankieonuonga> eish….that is confused for sure 19:44:46 * frankieonuonga certain that thing seems to have a mind of its own 19:45:08 <nirik> I'm planning on redoing the tape stuff after freeze. Dropping bacula completely and going to something more simple to just backup the rdiff-backups. 19:45:35 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:45:36 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:45:44 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to note or schedule? 19:45:55 <nirik> I need to move our milestones back due to the 1 week slip 19:46:33 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:46:40 <nirik> Any items for open floor? 19:46:49 <nirik> questions, comments, ideas, weather reports? 19:47:46 <pingou> nice and sunny :) 19:47:47 <croberts> weather is cold in ohio 19:47:52 <pingou> temperature finally dropping a little 19:47:57 <kushal> nirik, btw, when last time darkserver01 was rebooted ? 19:48:07 <frankieonuonga> you guys should move to Nairobi Kenya…we have summer all year long. 19:48:08 <kushal> it is showing uptime 22 days 19:48:10 <nirik> kushal: I think when we did our last mass updates/reboots. ;) 19:48:18 <nirik> sounds about right. 19:48:22 <threebean> brisk in upstate NY here too :P 19:48:26 <kushal> nirik, I missed that update I think :( 19:48:27 <nirik> frankieonuonga: hot there? 19:48:41 <frankieonuonga> fair weather…hot in a nice way 19:48:45 <frankieonuonga> not that maximum heat 19:48:51 <frankieonuonga> about 30 19:48:54 <frankieonuonga> c 19:49:03 <frankieonuonga> amazing . 19:49:18 <nirik> about 50F here and a bit cloudy. a nice fall day. :) 19:49:28 <pingou> nirik: sounds nice 19:49:48 <frankieonuonga> nirik: well then maybe when I get bored of my job in 5 years i should move there 19:49:55 <frankieonuonga> i work for angani…check out angani.co 19:50:00 <nirik> cool. 19:50:04 <frankieonuonga> pretty amazing 19:50:56 <nirik> well, if nothing else will close out in a minute... 19:50:58 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 19:51:05 <frankieonuonga> thanks guys 19:51:10 <croberts> thanks 19:51:24 <nirik> #endmeeting
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