============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-11-08) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-08/infrastructure.2012-11-08-19.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Hey there! (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:06:21) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:12:03) * https://apps.fedoraproject.org/ is cool (nirik, 19:14:03) * need to get smolt eol code setup and done. (nirik, 19:14:19) * lmacken to do a bodhi update. (nirik, 19:14:26) * LINK: https://209.132.184.106/fedocal/ and there is the start of timezone suport (pingou, 19:14:55) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:17:14) * Applied updates to all machines today since we are not frozen. (nirik, 19:17:28) * ansible work continues (I used it to apply updates today) (nirik, 19:18:39) * phx2 network outage in december, need to plan for it. (nirik, 19:22:04) * Private Cloud status update (nirik, 19:24:29) * Security FAD update (nirik, 19:31:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/FAS_plan (nirik, 19:32:01) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:33:16) * 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. (nirik, 19:33:33) * 2012-11-09 purge inactive apprentices (nirik, 19:33:33) * 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 19:33:33) * 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due (nirik, 19:33:33) * 2012-11-27 F18 Beta release (nirik, 19:33:33) * 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday (nirik, 19:33:34) * 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 19:33:35) * 2012-12-18 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 19:33:37) * 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter (nirik, 19:33:39) * 2012-12-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:33:41) * 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. (nirik, 19:33:43) * 2013-01-08 F18 release. (nirik, 19:33:45) * 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 19:33:47) * think about fudcon talks (nirik, 19:41:26) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:41:34) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 (nirik, 19:43:39) Meeting ended at 19:49:48 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (114) * skvidal (55) * pingou (29) * smooge (19) * codegerbil (17) * marcdeop (15) * abadger1999 (14) * lmacken (10) * relrod_school (8) * herlo (8) * zodbot (4) * threebean (3) * mrwizer (1) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-11-08) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 8 19:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic Hey there! 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:14 <marcdeop> hello everyone 19:00:26 * nirik waits for folks to wander in 19:00:58 <marcdeop> I have a question 19:01:02 * pingou 19:01:08 <smooge> crowbot here 19:01:09 <marcdeop> what time are the meetings supposed to be? 19:01:16 <marcdeop> 18h utc? 19:01:19 <nirik> marcdeop: we were at 18UTC... 19:01:28 <marcdeop> ain't it 19h right now? 19:01:29 <nirik> but DST ended in the us, so we moved with it to 19UTC 19:01:51 * nirik needs to update pages. 19:01:53 * relrod_school here 19:01:54 <nirik> I hate Daylight savings time. 19:02:00 <pingou> nirik: try fedocal :p 19:02:12 <nirik> pingou: :) 19:02:35 <pingou> ok you'll still have to change it twice a year :] 19:02:38 <marcdeop> why do we move things with daylight savings time? 19:02:45 <marcdeop> I mean... utc doesn't change, why should we? 19:03:00 <pingou> marcdeop: because local time do 19:03:19 <nirik> marcdeop: we don't have to... 19:04:01 * nirik doesn't feel too strongly about it, but there's also normally meetings around us and they switch, so we either overlap or move channels. 19:04:39 <pingou> I find it easier if the meeting is at the same time 50 weeks/year 19:05:26 <marcdeop> pingou: yeah, I understand but... EU and US don't cahnge the time at the same time, do they? 19:05:32 <marcdeop> ;) 19:05:36 <nirik> marcdeop: nope. it's a few weeks apart. 19:05:45 <pingou> marcdeop: that's why I said 50 and not 52 ;) 19:05:52 <pingou> nirik: 1 week 19:05:55 <nirik> anyhow, shall we get started? 19:06:05 * marcdeop is all for it 19:06:21 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:06:31 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentice questions or comments? 19:06:54 <marcdeop> me 19:07:06 <marcdeop> I mean, I'm new. Sorta 19:07:32 <mrwizer> I've already done my into but still new. I am looking around but willing to take on any tasks if anyone has some. 19:07:48 <nirik> welcome back marcdeop 19:07:52 <nirik> welcome mrwizer 19:08:18 <nirik> there's a list of easyfix stuff and you're welcome to just look through all existing tickets and ask about them further too. 19:08:20 <marcdeop> thanks! I'll definitelly try to help quite a bit more this time :) 19:08:47 <codegerbil> it looks like since zodbot is kind of a fedora thing, that it would be better if a fedora person write a script. at least that 's my impression from reading the documentation 19:09:30 <nirik> codegerbil: this is refering to the ticket about pruning channels? or whats the context? 19:09:36 <codegerbil> how much does it take to mod supybot, because i am also interested in looking into that, after a ticket is submitted, which i'll get on. 19:09:39 <codegerbil> nirik: yes 19:09:45 <codegerbil> pruning channels 19:10:21 * abadger1999 here now 19:10:23 <nirik> right, I'm not sure how to easily script that. It might be possible to come up with a plugin that reports how long since it was addressed in channels... but that doesn't exist that I know of. 19:10:50 <pingou> based on the .seen command maybe 19:11:19 <codegerbil> ok, then! 19:11:26 <codegerbil> thanks 19:11:55 <nirik> supybot is in python... there's I think some guides on the net how to write up plugins... 19:12:03 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:12:13 <nirik> any new application news this week or upcoming? 19:12:27 <nirik> I'll note we are no longer in freeze due to the crazy f18 schedule. ;) 19:12:31 * pingou worked on fedocal 19:12:45 <pingou> and I started the ansible playbook for jenkins_master 19:12:59 <pingou> threebean: pushed apps.fedoraproject.org to prod 19:13:08 <relrod_school> I've been working on extracting the mediawiki PHP fas auth stuff out to a common PHP lib, since we're going to need PHP auth for gallery3, and presumably other PHP apps in the future. See https://github.com/CodeBlock/php-fas/ if you care about that project ;) 19:13:22 <lmacken> Oh, we're not frozen? awesome. So yeah, I'm going to do a full bodhi update then instead of just a hotfix 19:13:27 <nirik> also, I need to work with puiterwijk to get the smolt eol code up and running. hopefully soon. 19:13:41 <nirik> lmacken: :) 19:13:43 <lmacken> the new apps.fp.o is awesome :) 19:14:03 <nirik> #info https://apps.fedoraproject.org/ is cool 19:14:19 <nirik> #info need to get smolt eol code setup and done. 19:14:26 <nirik> #info lmacken to do a bodhi update. 19:14:42 <nirik> relrod_school: is it looking likely to work? or ? 19:14:42 <threebean> I'm gonna aim for pushing zeromq3 stuff into production on monday 19:14:51 <lmacken> has anyone tested how smoltClient acts when smolt is gone? 19:14:55 <pingou> https://209.132.184.106/fedocal/ and there is the start of timezone suport 19:14:57 <pingou> + 19:14:59 <pingou> p 19:15:21 <nirik> lmacken: yeah, we are setting up a thing that accepts the request and sends them a thing that can point to a 'retired' page. 19:15:27 <nirik> we tested it in stg a while back 19:15:35 <lmacken> nirik: oh ok, cool. 19:15:59 <relrod_school> nirik: I'm still early in the project, but yeah, what I've done so far is working. It will hopefully fix that you can't log in to mw via email address too (FAS lets you auth via email or username, the wiki only lets you via username) 19:16:16 <nirik> that would be a nice bug to fix too, yeah 19:16:59 <nirik> ok, anything else on the app side? 19:17:14 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:17:25 <lmacken> one last app thing. we had a couple more mailbombings this week :\ 19:17:28 <nirik> #info Applied updates to all machines today since we are not frozen. 19:17:35 <lmacken> still not fully resolved 19:17:40 <nirik> lmacken: oh yeah, from tagger? 19:17:52 <lmacken> yep. beaker anonymous sessions creating lots of file descriptors 19:18:10 <smooge> pingou AWESOME SAUCE 19:18:22 <nirik> strange. :( well, at least it also happens in stg, so we can hopefully track it down... 19:18:39 <nirik> #info ansible work continues (I used it to apply updates today) 19:18:40 <lmacken> yeah, I'll work with threebean to try and hunt it down 19:18:45 * threebean nods 19:18:49 <pingou> smooge: thanks, trashy (fas trasher) works on the css :) 19:18:53 <threebean> lmacken: it's real weird. 19:19:31 * abadger1999 is hoping to have a new pyhton-fedora out before we re-freeze. 19:19:35 <nirik> we have some new machines coming in in the next few weeks probibly... a pair of machines to replace sign-vault02 and a virthost machine to test out (new vendor) 19:19:48 <abadger1999> Should be additions to the APIs so low risk of breakage. 19:19:56 <nirik> cool. 19:20:02 <lmacken> abadger1999: I've been doing a little bit of hacking on the fedora.client.wiki this week. Will try and wrap that up before then, but we'll see 19:20:12 <abadger1999> lmacken: Cool. Let me know. 19:20:22 <abadger1999> If it's in tomorrow definitely can go into the next release. 19:20:30 <lmacken> ok 19:20:41 <nirik> oh, there is likely going to be a phx2 outage in december. (date not set in stone yet). It will be a 30min-1hr outage of network. 19:20:45 <abadger1999> If it's not, still likely :-) 19:20:58 <skvidal> in december, how nice 19:20:59 <nirik> we need to look at if we can migrate everything away from phx2 for that time or just say we are out then or what. 19:21:03 <skvidal> maybe it'll be on the 24th 19:21:05 <skvidal> that'd be nice 19:21:17 <skvidal> nirik: is ALL of phx2 out? is it colo-wide? 19:21:17 <abadger1999> or the 27th :-) 19:21:18 <nirik> looking like 12/15 19:21:24 <skvidal> abadger1999: yes 19:21:37 <nirik> skvidal: it's a router/firewall thing, so all net will be out. 19:21:44 <nirik> machines will still be up, etc. 19:21:44 <skvidal> :( 19:21:47 <nirik> just no network 19:22:04 <nirik> #info phx2 network outage in december, need to plan for it. 19:22:34 <nirik> I think it might be a nice test of seeing if we can keep things working with it down... or at least not too badly broken 19:22:35 <smooge> it should be 15 minutes 19:22:42 <smooge> last year it was about 10 minutes 19:23:02 <nirik> All the stuff I have been told is at least 30min. :) 19:23:16 <smooge> ah.. I misread 19:23:17 * skvidal plans for 10 to 15 hours 19:23:31 <smooge> skvidal, pager off and a trip to the bahamas? 19:23:41 <nirik> :) 19:23:53 <nirik> anyhow, thats a bit away still, but just wanted to mention it... 19:24:02 <skvidal> nirik: thx 19:24:15 <nirik> any other sysadminy things recently or upcoming? 19:24:29 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update 19:24:37 <skvidal> clouds! 19:24:49 <nirik> I re-installed out openstack cloudlet with folsom 19:24:50 <skvidal> I wrote up some docs on setting up a persistent or transient host in the cloud 19:24:51 <skvidal> using ansible 19:25:09 <nirik> I'm likely to reinstall the head node one more time to get it more ansibled and also to fix a problem with the install that has since been fixed. ;) 19:25:28 <nirik> I also got euca2ools working fine against it. 19:25:34 <skvidal> yay! 19:25:46 <nirik> so, in theory we should be able to use the exact same ansible stuff for it as euca... 19:26:18 <nirik> skvidal: side note, there's no way to name an instance when you start it command line is there? it gets whatever the server assigns it? 19:26:30 <skvidal> I believe that's correct 19:26:44 <skvidal> you can with the nova tools - so it's probably in the os api not the ec2 api 19:26:49 <nirik> euca you get something like 'i-2712763453' right? 19:26:54 <skvidal> yep 19:27:00 <skvidal> but to be fair 19:27:03 <nirik> for openstack you get things like: 'server-2bf83951-dd53-461b-b14f-cebbbef329c5' 19:27:06 <skvidal> the terminate-instance thing I wrote 19:27:07 <nirik> which is a bit wacky 19:27:15 <skvidal> for euca2ools 19:27:19 <skvidal> will take ip addresses 19:27:26 <nirik> yeah. 19:27:55 <nirik> so, after I reinstall the openstack side again I am going to make accounts for a bunch of people, and we can hammer on it. 19:28:09 <skvidal> nirik: vlans! 19:28:29 <nirik> I can try messing with that... but the network situation is... in flux. 19:28:32 * herlo wants an account :) 19:28:52 <skvidal> so on the euca side 19:29:04 <skvidal> I am building the coprs backend and builders in place on it now 19:29:22 <nirik> If anyone wants to help out with cloudlets, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud#Moving_to_.22production.22 for a list of things we need to work on/document/decide. 19:29:22 <skvidal> and it's coming along swimmingly 19:29:39 <skvidal> I also setup 2 persistent instances for the twistedmatrix folks to run their buildbots on 19:29:45 <skvidal> one under el6 the other on f17 19:29:59 <nirik> cool. 19:30:17 <nirik> herlo: sure thing, will ping you when stuff is reinstalled. 19:30:19 <skvidal> I asked him about it yesterday he seemed fine w/them for the moment 19:30:23 <herlo> nirik: great 19:30:24 <herlo> thanks 19:30:53 <nirik> ok, any further cloud news? 19:31:27 <nirik> #topic Security FAD update 19:31:46 <nirik> abadger1999 and I brainstormed some of the fas stuff we need to look at beforehand. 19:32:01 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/FAS_plan 19:32:34 <nirik> so, if everyone could look at that and add to it/discuss/etc we might get a head start on the fad. ;) 19:33:16 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:33:29 <nirik> (get ready for info dump :) 19:33:33 <nirik> #info 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. 19:33:33 <nirik> #info 2012-11-09 purge inactive apprentices 19:33:33 <nirik> #info 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Beta Freeze 19:33:33 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due 19:33:33 <nirik> #info 2012-11-27 F18 Beta release 19:33:34 <nirik> #info 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday 19:33:35 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD 19:33:37 <nirik> #info 2012-12-18 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze 19:33:39 <nirik> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter 19:33:41 <nirik> #info 2012-12-01 nag fi-apprentices 19:33:43 <nirik> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. 19:33:45 <nirik> #info 2013-01-08 F18 release. 19:33:47 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 19:33:50 <nirik> Any items we need to schedule or note? 19:34:44 * skvidal is really not looking forward to early/mid january 19:34:45 <abadger1999> Need to update teh freeze and release dates. 19:34:50 <smooge> smolt didn't happen yesterday? 19:35:18 <nirik> abadger1999: I did I thought... 19:35:28 <nirik> smooge: no, I need to get with puiterwijk and make it happen 19:35:29 <abadger1999> Oh -- I'll be taking a short vacation post-FAD. 19:35:39 <abadger1999> nirik: oops. I totally flubbed in reading those dates. 19:35:39 <nirik> skvidal: gonna be a busy time. ;( 19:35:50 <skvidal> nirik: yah 19:36:04 <abadger1999> Flying back on Tuesday Dec 4 19:36:21 <nirik> Oh, one other thing I wanted to note: everyone should think about talks / sessions / hackfests for fudcon... 19:36:33 <nirik> abadger1999: cool. Gonna do some hiking? 19:36:35 <abadger1999> Likely I'll have 0 internet access between the FAD and then. 19:36:58 <abadger1999> nirik: possibly a few day hikes. Going to visit friends and family around NC/VA 19:37:07 <smooge> I will be doing a short talk on passwords and their strength changes. 19:37:10 <skvidal> abadger1999: wherebouts? 19:37:14 <nirik> I was thinking a general infra hackfest as usual... perhaps a talk/session on our private clouds... ansible? fedmeg ? 19:37:17 <skvidal> abadger1999: I'll ask oob, sorry 19:37:26 <skvidal> nirik: at fudcon? or at the fad? 19:37:33 <nirik> skvidal: fudcon. 19:37:41 <skvidal> nirik: +1 I want to do 2 talks if I can 19:37:45 <skvidal> 1 on ansible and 1 on coprs 19:38:15 * herlo definitely wants to attend coprs talk 19:38:15 <skvidal> hmmm - and maybe I would need to be involved on the private cloud things, too 19:38:17 <pingou> skvidal: would be pretty cool if we could finish jenkins master by the fudcon :) 19:38:19 <skvidal> depending on where we will be 19:38:22 <skvidal> pingou: we will 19:38:28 <skvidal> pingou: this I know :) 19:38:30 <pingou> skvidal: awesome :) 19:38:38 <nirik> we could do a bunch of lightning talks on infra stuff too... 19:38:55 <pingou> nirik: just put all the webapp dev on the list ;) 19:39:06 <skvidal> nirik: +1 19:39:54 * relrod_school could maybe look into presenting the fedorahosted web app I was working on, if I get that finished up/tested more/etc 19:40:22 <pingou> relrod_school: if I get some cycles I'd like to help on that one as well 19:40:46 <nirik> also, might be good to do something on our security work from the fad if it works out nicely. 19:40:50 <relrod_school> pingou: cool, always appreciated 19:41:20 <nirik> anyhow, a ways away, just something to be thinking about. 19:41:26 <nirik> #info think about fudcon talks 19:41:34 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:41:45 <nirik> anything for open floor? questions? comments? suggestions? 19:42:39 <skvidal> as before 19:42:47 <codegerbil> are apprentices allowed to go to fudcon? 19:42:47 <skvidal> anyone who wants to look at some scripting/playbooking tasks 19:43:02 <codegerbil> yes 19:43:03 <skvidal> come talk to me - I have a couple of things that could use eyes/testing 19:43:09 <pingou> codegerbil: anyone can go to FUDCon 19:43:13 <smooge> skvidal, I want to get to that after I get these things ordered 19:43:15 <codegerbil> pingou: yay! 19:43:23 <nirik> codegerbil: everyone is welcome. ;) 19:43:39 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 19:43:39 <codegerbil> nirik: that's great :) 19:43:42 <smooge> codegerbil, if you need assistance the ticket system for FUDcon is open. 19:43:44 <nirik> codegerbil: where are you located? 19:44:03 <codegerbil> memphis. 19:44:21 <codegerbil> not too far away 19:44:25 <herlo> codegerbil: oh, you could drive! 19:44:26 <nirik> cool. 19:44:33 * pingou will have his tickets somewhere this week 19:44:38 <skvidal> codegerbil: a short 8 hour drive through desolate country 19:44:39 <skvidal> how nice 19:44:40 <nirik> fudcon is always a great time. Lots of good info, good folks, etc. 19:44:41 <codegerbil> :) 19:44:50 <herlo> +1 nirik 19:44:56 * herlo lubs the fudcon 19:44:58 <skvidal> oh one more thing 19:44:59 <codegerbil> nothing like rt 40 west -_- 19:45:04 * nirik is also going to drive most likely. 19:45:05 <skvidal> do not bring any lurgy to fudcon 19:45:07 <codegerbil> it does look fun 19:45:09 <skvidal> leave your lurgy at home 19:45:12 <codegerbil> ....lurgy? 19:45:19 <smooge> flu cold plague 19:45:29 <skvidal> what smooge said 19:45:33 <codegerbil> oh oh! that makes sense. 19:45:37 <pingou> skvidal: I can bring one from Europe, no ? 19:45:40 * abadger1999 crosses "black death" off his packing list 19:45:43 <smooge> I am bringing black plague this year 19:45:45 <skvidal> pingou: nope., leave it at home 19:45:51 <smooge> so I got you covered abadger1999 19:45:51 <pingou> skvidal: Ooh :( 19:46:07 <nirik> heh 19:46:07 <pingou> smooge: I'm bringing 'French accent' with me 19:46:15 <smooge> oooh even worse 19:46:15 <pingou> and that's whatever skvidal says... 19:46:15 <skvidal> pingou: I bet you are! 19:46:23 <relrod_school> oh, sidenote/reminder for FAD stuff - RH people if you have to get your badge photo in -- do that ;) I did so last week 19:46:27 <pingou> skvidal: what's your t-shirt size btw ? 19:46:42 <skvidal> pingou: it's the "I don't wear tshirts really, ever" size 19:46:45 <nirik> relrod_school: yeah, send my pic in the other day, should have new badge next week. 19:47:01 <smooge> pingou, get him a french button down shirt 19:47:02 <pingou> skvidal: not even white with blue strips and beret ? 19:47:03 <skvidal> pingou: tshirts end up being used as grease rags in the bike shed (the bike shed is gray) 19:47:10 <skvidal> pingou: hahah - that's for spot 19:47:18 <skvidal> pingou: I lack the wine and the cigarettes 19:47:25 * marcdeop remembers very well his trip to Lawrence 19:47:30 <smooge> pingou if you bring the mime paint I will wear it 19:47:34 <pingou> skvidal: I'll let you know when I pack, we can discuss things 19:47:39 <skvidal> pingou: yes :) 19:47:44 <smooge> sorry for disrailing things 19:47:47 <pingou> smooge: really ? 19:47:47 <marcdeop> nice choice to host :) 19:47:57 <skvidal> smooge: I think miming is a criminal art in france, too :) 19:48:06 <nirik> anyhow... shall we call it a meeting? 19:48:21 <smooge> [ o>< ] me in a box 19:48:49 <smooge> call it 19:49:46 <relrod_school> ><> fishie. :P 19:49:48 <herlo> lol 19:49:48 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. :) Do chime up in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc or #fedora-apps with any questions. 19:49:48 * relrod_school is done ;) 19:49:48 <nirik> #endmeeting
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