============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-09-06) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-09-06/infrastructure.2012-09-06-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * whats up! (nirik, 18:00:07) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:04:36) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:14:44) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:17:01) * F18 Alpha Release tickets/Freeze (nirik, 18:24:36) * Private Cloud status update (nirik, 18:25:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud (nirik, 18:25:19) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:27:10) * 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:27:42) * 2012-09-07 drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:27:43) * 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:27:43) * 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out (nirik, 18:27:43) * 2012-10-02 to 2012-10-16 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:27:43) * 2012-10-16 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:27:43) * 2012-10-30 to 2012-11-20 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 18:27:45) * 2012-11-20 F18 release. (nirik, 18:27:47) * 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 18:27:49) * 2012-11-20 Next Fiscal Year Budget needs to be done (smooge, 18:28:04) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 (nirik, 18:32:16) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:44:44) Meeting ended at 18:56:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (99) * skvidal (39) * _love_hurts_ (33) * smooge (17) * dgilmore (17) * abadger1999 (15) * kilted1 (9) * puiterwijk (4) * zodbot (4) * CodeBlock_ (4) * akshaysth_ (3) * MadBus (2) * Ramesh (1) * threebean (1) * LoKoMurdoK (1) * Spack (1) * lmacken (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:00:06 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-09-06) 18:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 6 18:00:06 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:07 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:07 <nirik> #topic whats up! 18:00:07 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:00:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:00:15 * skvidal is here 18:00:15 <smooge> here on time 18:00:20 * _love_hurts_ here 18:00:28 * abadger1999 here 18:00:30 * akshaysth_ here 18:00:40 * Spack here 18:01:38 * puiterwijk here for the moment 18:01:54 * CodeBlock_ here ish. 18:02:24 * nirik will wait another min and then start in 18:04:34 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead then. 18:04:36 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:04:42 <_love_hurts_> ! 18:04:48 <nirik> any new folks want to say hi, or chime in with questions? 18:04:53 <nirik> go ahead _love_hurts_ 18:04:55 <_love_hurts_> hello team! I am vipin 18:05:09 <_love_hurts_> I'm from india 18:05:27 <kilted1> Hi I would also like to join in the fun. 18:05:37 <_love_hurts_> IIT-BHU B.tech, 3 yrs experince as a Research Engineer in C-DOT india 18:05:53 <nirik> welcome _love_hurts_, kilted1. 18:05:57 <MadBus> hi there 18:05:58 <_love_hurts_> currently I'm working on Ticket 1084 18:06:07 <_love_hurts_> thanks 18:06:11 <MadBus> <- me isn't new, but just being welcoming ;-) 18:06:12 <akshaysth_> Hello everyone! My name is Akshay Suthar. I'm a Network Systems Engineer by day and novice C/C++ with Qt & Android developer. I'm based out of Toronto, Canada. I've been using fedora since FC2. I'm hoping to assist with the sysadmin side and possibly look to learning & assisting with python development. 18:06:33 <dgilmore> hey 18:06:38 <akshaysth_> sorry for the large intro :P 18:06:39 <kilted1> My name is Scott Suehle, Currently I am a SDE at the mothership 18:06:58 <kilted1> I am interested in SA, NOC and learning packaging 18:07:15 <nirik> cool. Lots of new folks today. ;) 18:08:12 <nirik> some good links to get started with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Apprentice and http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ 18:09:22 <nirik> so, do chime in with questions or comments and see me after the meeting and I can try and point you at things to look into. 18:09:33 <kilted1> sounds good 18:09:33 <nirik> any other new folks? or questions from any of you right now? 18:10:07 <_love_hurts_> ! 18:10:30 <_love_hurts_> so I'm will be working on Ticket 1084 18:10:43 <_love_hurts_> is Mahrud too? 18:10:52 <_love_hurts_> I will* 18:11:00 <nirik> _love_hurts_: yeah, sounds like Mahrud had some info or work on it. 18:11:10 <_love_hurts_> ok 18:11:13 <nirik> I'd suggest if you can to meet up and see if you can both work on it. 18:11:27 <_love_hurts_> I had discussion with him 18:11:35 <_love_hurts_> today morning my timings 18:12:06 <_love_hurts_> and I have come up with a tiny step forward 18:12:20 <nirik> excellent 18:12:36 <_love_hurts_> a little bit change in Infrastructure/Architecture layout 18:12:52 <_love_hurts_> I would ask for improvements 18:12:58 <nirik> so, I would suggest making a new page that you could use for drafting out the new version... 18:13:12 <_love_hurts_> yes 18:13:42 <_love_hurts_> and I guess it will better if we discuss technical things in wiki talk page 18:13:58 <nirik> yeah, thats another place for feedback. 18:13:59 * nirik nods. 18:14:06 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then to the next topic? 18:14:12 <_love_hurts_> sure 18:14:44 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:15:00 <nirik> ok, any apps news this week? abadger1999 / threebean / pingou / anyone else I forgot? ;) 18:15:22 <abadger1999> nope. slow week on that front. 18:15:35 <abadger1999> talked about some additional feature requests for elections 18:15:47 <abadger1999> (thumbnail support) 18:16:11 <puiterwijk> nirik: maybe the git repo hook? or is that more sysadmin stuff? 18:16:27 <nirik> puiterwijk: I think thats more sysadmin side. 18:16:51 <puiterwijk> nirik: ok 18:16:51 <nirik> lmacken is also out this week. 18:17:01 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:17:07 <skvidal> clouds! 18:17:08 <skvidal> clouds! 18:17:08 <nirik> :) 18:17:09 <skvidal> clouds! 18:17:10 <CodeBlock_> I will be deploying FAS 0.8.14.91 to staging by the end of the week, and finally emailing trans@ so they can start 18:17:12 <skvidal> and reinstalling! 18:17:13 <skvidal> and clouds! 18:17:15 * CodeBlock_ late as usual :) 18:17:59 <nirik> yeah, lots of testing and reinstalling cloud instances. ;) 18:18:04 <puiterwijk> last week, I have been busy on developing a git hook to reject binary blobs from the git repositories 18:18:04 <smooge> I have been hating java. java java 18:18:17 <smooge> working on budgets for next year and getting new boxes installed. 18:18:36 <smooge> puiterwijk, cool 18:18:43 <Ramesh> Hello everyone 18:18:45 <nirik> we are going to setup 2 cloudlets. One will probibly run eucalyptus and the other openstack. But it's all still up in the air until we finish testing things out. 18:19:09 <smooge> I forsee one running eucalyptus 18:19:23 <skvidal> one IS running eucalyptus and one IS running openstack at the moment 18:19:25 <smooge> hello Ramesh 18:19:42 <skvidal> we did a bunch of fun fun fun breaking of cloud software this week 18:19:44 <skvidal> it's a good time 18:19:48 <smooge> and hardware 18:19:51 <skvidal> true 18:19:52 <skvidal> and java 18:19:55 <skvidal> we broke java, too 18:19:59 <nirik> we are still in freeze also, so until alpha comes out, other changes are smallish. 18:20:02 <smooge> I hatez it.. the javaits 18:20:52 <abadger1999> nirik, puiterwijk: I saw the fesco meeting discussion about the binary blobs stuff -- are we ever going to be able to fix the mono repo? Or is that doomed to always be ginormous? 18:21:07 <nirik> abadger1999: it sounded like fesco didn't want to re-write history 18:21:22 <nirik> so, I fear it's going to stay gigantic. ;( 18:22:41 <abadger1999> <nod> Well -- I guess we'll revisit if the mono sig/maintainers complain. 18:22:54 <nirik> oh, puiterwijk's script to sync ssh keys to openshift is working now... so everyone in sysadmin-noc or sysadmin-main should be able to update our status.fedoraproject.org instance. See infra docs for process. 18:23:11 <abadger1999> Nice work puiterwijk! 18:24:27 <nirik> ok, I guess lets move along. ;) 18:24:36 <nirik> #topic F18 Alpha Release tickets/Freeze 18:24:43 <nirik> we are still in freeze, no alpha yet. 18:24:56 <nirik> the next go/no-go is after this meeting. ;) 18:25:07 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update 18:25:12 <nirik> Touched on this above... 18:25:19 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud 18:25:27 <nirik> I've been trying to keep that page somewhat up to date. 18:25:31 <smooge> It looks intersting. I like the Euca side.. I am not sure about the openstack side yet 18:25:50 <nirik> Hopefully in the next few weeks we will open things up for more people to start testing on things... firing up instances, etc. 18:25:52 * threebean sneaks in late.. 18:27:10 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:27:42 <nirik> #info 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha Freeze 18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-07 drop inactive fi-apprentices 18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha release. 18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out 18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-10-02 to 2012-10-16 F18 Beta Freeze 18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-10-16 F18 Beta release 18:27:45 <nirik> #info 2012-10-30 to 2012-11-20 F18 Final Freeze 18:27:47 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 F18 release. 18:27:49 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD 18:27:55 * skvidal does the vacation dance 18:27:55 <nirik> This is what I have on my upcoming list. 18:28:04 <smooge> #info 2012-11-20 Next Fiscal Year Budget needs to be done 18:28:20 <nirik> as noted skvidal will be out starting next week. So, if you need him please corner him before then. ;) 18:28:42 <nirik> smooge: good to know. ;) I'll add it... and I have some things I want to put on it... 18:29:08 <nirik> and finally, our FAD... 18:29:19 <dgilmore> nirik: when is it again? 18:29:22 <nirik> If alpha slips another week today (as it will) 18:29:39 <nirik> then we are in release week for our scheduled dates. 18:29:45 <nirik> which is... not good. 18:29:46 <dgilmore> :( 18:29:58 <nirik> So, we can push out the fad again, but then it goes into december. 18:30:07 <nirik> and I know people don't like to travel in december 18:30:16 <abadger1999> nirik: Let someone else manage release; what can go wrong? ;-) 18:30:31 <nirik> abadger1999: well, I'm actually not worried about the release too much. 18:30:35 <nirik> we have that down pretty well now. 18:30:36 <dgilmore> nirik: im going back to australia in november 18:31:07 <nirik> The bigger problem is that we will be frozen... and doing sweeping auth changes will be... difficult without disrupting things. 18:31:18 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:31:21 <nirik> dgilmore: cool. 18:31:39 <nirik> so, my new proposal: See if we can all go to Fudcon 3 days early... 18:31:48 <nirik> and get the fad done before fudcon. 18:31:50 <nirik> thoughts? 18:31:51 <skvidal> when is fudcon, again? 18:32:07 <skvidal> and _where_ is it, again? 18:32:11 <nirik> January 18–20, 2013 18:32:16 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 18:32:17 <kilted1> laurence ks 18:32:18 <skvidal> kansas 18:32:27 <skvidal> so we'd be gone for a week... 18:32:32 <skvidal> to kansas 18:32:37 <nirik> thrills! 18:32:44 <kilted1> chills 18:33:09 * abadger1999 will bring his x-country skis 18:33:20 * skvidal will bring extra supplies of 'will to live' 18:33:37 <skvidal> b/c I'm sure after 6 days that will be running AWFULLY short 18:33:47 <smooge> I think we are going to have to do it at the fudcon 18:34:27 <smooge> skvidal, its called single malt scotch on the 6th day 18:34:53 <nirik> I suppose it's possible we slip 3 more weeks and then our current proposed dates are before final freeze. ;) 18:34:55 <dgilmore> skvidal: kanas will be no different to here 18:35:06 * dgilmore will likely drive to kansas 18:35:12 <skvidal> dgilmore: yes, but it will be different from _here_ 18:35:41 <nirik> anyhow, I can float it on the list and ask for feedback? or what do folks want to do? 18:36:07 <skvidal> I think we should change the freeze rules 18:36:09 * dgilmore is ok with december travel. but im ok with extra time at fudcon also 18:36:21 <skvidal> so we can do it 18:36:39 <nirik> well, the rules wouldn't be the problem actually, just the 'don't blow things up right before release' 18:37:15 <skvidal> nirik: which is the point... For all intents in purposes we can do the 2fa stuff w/o modifying most systems 18:37:19 <nirik> but we could slip more I suppose, which makes it less release weekly 18:37:33 <skvidal> for example - only deploy pam-url, etc on lockbox only 18:37:39 <skvidal> (one less only there) 18:37:57 <skvidal> <shrug> 18:38:06 <nirik> I suppose, it just makes it more difficult. ;) If folks thing we can make it work during freeze we could forge ahead with the current dates. 18:38:18 <nirik> dgilmore: you be back from au by then? 18:38:18 <skvidal> after 3 days of fudcon I am normally drilled, 6 days is going to be difficult 18:38:49 * skvidal is clearly old and stuff 18:38:52 <CodeBlock_> pre-fudcon would be better for me personally, less school to miss. 18:39:02 <dgilmore> nirik: ill likely be back on nov 28, 18:40:05 <nirik> ok, let me ponder on it and see... if we can make it work with the end of nov dates, I think that might be better... 18:40:12 * LoKoMurdoK here very late 18:40:29 * abadger1999 can do pre-fudcon or the current dates 18:40:44 <kilted1> where will the FAD be if it is not coinciding with Fudcon? 18:40:55 <nirik> kilted1: we are hoping to do it in Raleigh... 18:41:01 * kilted1 nods 18:41:15 <nirik> we can hopefully get some space at the lovely Red Hat tower to meet. 18:41:15 <kilted1> cool 18:42:03 <abadger1999> nirik: What about moving to pre-Thanksgiving week in Raleigh? 18:42:19 <abadger1999> or is that still in freeze? 18:42:37 <nirik> that would be out (with the extra slip today) 18:42:50 <nirik> I think we ruled it out before because it was release week a while back. ;) 18:43:03 <dgilmore> abadger1999: I cant make that. but that shouldnt stop things 18:43:20 <abadger1999> k and it's worse for codeblock too. 18:43:22 <smooge> Well another issue will be getting rooms in raleigh around thanksgiving 18:43:39 <abadger1999> nirik: the colution to that is to slip two weeks :-) 18:43:45 <smooge> would ahve to look at crashing in skvidals bike shed 18:43:57 <nirik> smooge: I think after it should be ok... 18:44:02 * skvidal has 1bathroom. no guests, kthx 18:44:36 <nirik> anyhow, I'll look at it and see. Lets tenatively keep planning for same dates... but don't book yet. ;) 18:44:42 <smooge> this release looks like one of those slips til Fudcon ones.. 18:44:44 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:44:55 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor? questions? comments? ideas? 18:46:36 <smooge> not i 18:46:50 <_love_hurts_> ! 18:47:21 <nirik> _love_hurts_: go ahead. 18:47:28 <_love_hurts_> can we use something like google map for showing our servers in Infrastructure/Architecture page? 18:47:33 <nirik> we don't usually bother with the meeting protocol, we are kinda informal. ;) 18:47:45 <_love_hurts_> so we can change dynamically location 18:47:55 <nirik> well, two issues with that: 18:48:20 <nirik> a) we in general don't want to depend on or use non free services. (Free as in open source available). 18:48:38 <nirik> b) in some cases datacenters do not wish to advertise where they are located exactly. 18:48:40 * skvidal wonders why we need to know where the servers are physically down to the long/lat 18:48:58 <_love_hurts_> I mean something similar to that which we can use? 18:49:17 <skvidal> _love_hurts_: what does it get us - to know the long/lat of our systems/colos? 18:49:36 <_love_hurts_> I guess it will be easy to change location dymanically 18:49:42 <_love_hurts_> no need to replace Image 18:50:04 <_love_hurts_> and user can zoom in and see in detail 18:50:09 <skvidal> okay 18:50:10 <skvidal> but again 18:50:14 <skvidal> what does that GET us? 18:50:22 <skvidal> how does it benefit us? 18:50:34 <_love_hurts_> just an Idea 18:50:42 <_love_hurts_> i was asking about it 18:50:43 <skvidal> I have no issue with the idea 18:50:48 <skvidal> I just want to know what the benefits are 18:50:55 <nirik> It may be useful to know where things are Network wise... ie, what backbones they peer with, etc. 18:50:57 <dgilmore> skvidal: i agree 18:51:04 <nirik> but I don't know of a mapping setup that does that. ;) 18:51:37 <dgilmore> nirik: to me thats far more useful than where things are physically 18:51:52 <dgilmore> i.e. a network map not a physical map 18:52:06 <skvidal> dgilmore: agreed - knowing the network-logical location is a plus 18:53:02 <nirik> broad geolocation is also useful to see what regions we point to that server... 18:53:14 <nirik> but that needs just "North America" or "Europe" 18:53:16 <smooge> _love_hurts_, one issue is that other than 3 sets of systems.. we have NO idea where some of our systems are physicall 18:53:25 <_love_hurts_> main benefits I see are dynamic tagging and detailed view 18:53:49 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: dynamic tagging? 18:54:14 <dgilmore> i guess i dont understand the problem your trying to solve 18:54:22 <_love_hurts_> yeah...in case we get more server anywhere in the world we just have to do one more tagging 18:54:44 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: sorry that means nothing to me 18:54:59 <_love_hurts_> like I can tag my Home in google map 18:55:01 <dgilmore> what tagging? 18:55:27 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: what is the problem your trying to solve? 18:55:28 <_love_hurts_> in case I change my home I can tag to newer place 18:55:59 <nirik> lets clear the room for the next meeting and continue over in #fedora-admin 18:56:09 <nirik> unless there's any more last minute things? 18:56:21 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 18:56:23 <nirik> #endmeeting
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