On Sep 24, 2011 2:23 PM, "Tristan Santore" <tristan.santore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 2011 1:07 PM, "Tristan Santore"
> > <tristan.santore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:tristan.santore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> On 24/09/11 15:43, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Greetings.
> >>>>
> >>>> I finally sat down and poked around with the current version of zarafa
> >>>> we have setup (7.0.0).
> >>>>
> >>>> Some observations:
> >>>>
> >>>> * It seems more responsive and nicer than the 6.x versions were.
> >>>>
> >>>> * There doesn't seem to be a way to disable features and just show the
> >>>> calendar that I can figure out. The email part is always there. ;(
> >>>> However, unless we have it set to send incoming emails there, it
> >>>> works fine for just sending calendar invites and the like.
> >>>>
> >>>> * The ical / caldav feeds seem to be there and working. Took a bit to
> >>>> find them, but they do work.
> >>>>
> >>>> * We can't enable z-push as it's non free, so thats no push for a bunch
> >>>> of mobile devices.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Calendars are per user. There is a group calendar feature, but it
> >>>> seems to not be available in the free version.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I am thinking that if we don't want to offer mail hosting, zarafa
> >>>> isn't going to be something we want to support/deploy.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only one still getting email into it is Mike.
> >>>> I don't know if other folks are using the calendar or not, but we
> >>>> should check that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any further thoughts or conclusions? Or should we set a sunset date?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I demand that Fedora continue to offer and support a mailing solution....
> >>> just of me ;-)
> >>>
> >>> +1 to the sunset. Let me know when and I'll make arrangements to get my
> >>> mail sent back to my normal account.
> >>>
> >>> -Mike
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> >> How about hosting zarafa elsewhere ? In a sane legal zone like the EU!
> >>
> >> As long as Fedora doesn't itself host this, its not taking part in
> >> contributory infringement, I would think.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Tristan
> >>
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> On 24/09/11 19:11, brett lentz wrote:
> > Even if that's technically legal, it violates the spirit of what Fedora
> > is all about.
> >
> > ---Brett.
> >
> Using foss service providers does not violate what we are about, and
> besides, if that was the case then we should also ban our users from
> mentioning rpmfusion in the help channel, which is preposterous.
This is a straw man and has nothing to do with what I said.
> Just because the United States has decided to have patents on software,
> which nobody in Fedora agrees with, nor Red Hat for that matter, then
> you can't ask Europe to enforce such stupidity.
I don't see how that's relevant or has anything to do with what I said.
> What you are saying is,
> that we cant basically add European service providers to the list of US
> based service providers we already use.
No. That is not at all what I said.
I said that gaining access to otherwise non-free software through the use of a technicality is not the Fedora way.
> Of course, external providers of
> free services we use to market Fedora, such as facebook, have also faced
> patent infringement claims. Also, we would not be hosting it ourselves,
> we do not violate the principal of having only freely usable software in
> the distribution. The distribution has nothing to do with obtaining
> services from a third-party.
>
Yes. I understood your point the first time. I disagree with you that this is an appropriate option.
> Of course,, if there was a better option, which we can mass-roll out to
> allow everyone to work more efficiently together, then great, but people
> have been banging on about a product we need, and nothing has fit the bill.
Correction: Nothing *yet* has fit the bill.
>
> And, as a contributor, Id like to have the ability to gain access to
> such collaboration systems, it should be for everyone, not just a select
> few.
>
You aren't the only one with this desire. I, and many others share it. But I don't believe it's a good idea to sacrifice our principles and start using technicalities just to gain access to a particular piece of software.
Just because something is technically possible doesn't make it a good solution.
> Regards,
>
> Tristan
>
---Brett.
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> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
> TS4523-RIPE
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>
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