On 28/07/11 23:18, Adam Williamson wrote: > Hey, folks. Just wanted to take another shot at one of my oldest > windmills :) > > So, we talked about calendaring for a long time. Then we picked Zarafa. > Then we kind of implemented it. Then no-one used it, and we took it out > again: > http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2011/02/resetting-expectations-fedora.html > > That wasn't what you might call a 'success', I know. I think there's > maybe a couple of reasons for that. One, I'm still not really sure why > we'd pick Zarafa. It's explicitly designed to be a Microsoft Exchange > replacement, and I don't think Fedora is a project with a lot of people > who really need to use ActiveSync or Outlook, so...huh? It just doesn't > seem like it was ever a great fit. By the Zarafa page on the wiki - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zarafa - we couldn't even ship Z-Push > because ActiveSync is patented, so apparently our only ever official > calendaring system never had a working sync mechanism at all, and I > don't think Zarafa's web interface is any great shakes. > > Two, there was never any particular driver towards using it. > > So, I think another try with a more appropriate calendaring system - if > we can find one - and a 'seed' use of it might be a good idea. > > I've been using eGroupware, personally, for quite a while, and I think > it's a good system. I'm not aware of any major barriers to including it > in Fedora. It has internal copies of a few Pear modules, but that's > pretty small beer and it should be trivial to use the system-wide copies > or get an exception (some of them are extensively modified). It has a > nice web UI and decent sync capabilities via CalDAV: I've used it > synchronized with Evolution on two systems and never had major problems. > It seems at least a better fit than Zarafa. Citadel would be another one > to look at. > > As for a 'seed' use, I think an ideal fit here would be the release > schedules. Currently, these are dumb HTML tables with ICS files living > in the current release manager's personal fedoraproject space: > > http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/ > > which sucks for any number of reasons, not least of which you need to > know who the hell the release manager is at the moment in order to find > the schedule. =) Using a proper calendaring system would seem to be a > far better way to handle the release calendars, and would be a great > kickstarter for a project calendaring system. Since the calendars are > maintained by one person, we only need to get one person (hi, Robyn!) to > buy in, in order to kick off this seed use. > > To restrict the liability issues mentioned in Smooge's blog post, we > could not enable the email function of the system we choose (this is > possible with both EGW and Citadel). We could also not have individual > accounts for all Fedora project members, at least at first: we could > have just a few individual accounts with commit access, mainly for the > release manager to maintain the calendars, and then have a single > read-only guest account which people could use to view the calendars and > sync them read-only to their phones and desktop clients. It may even be > possible to set things up so people can view and read-only sync without > any authentication required. > > What do people think of this idea? If it seems like an approach that's > simpler to maintain and more likely to produce actual useful results, > that'd be great. I'm willing to work on packaging eGroupware and > resolving the private-copies-of-pear-modules issue - I already maintain > eGW for Mandriva, so it wouldn't be too much work to convert the spec to > Fedora standards. If you don't advertise something , nobody will use it! When was this made available to everyone ? I never heard anything, I always assumed this was infra internal. Maybe that is the problem here ? Maybe I missed it being advertised, if so, I apologise. Regards, Tristan -- Tristan Santore BSc MBCS TS4523-RIPE Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile +44-78-55069812 Tristan.Santore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Former Thawte Notary (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust) For Fedora related issues, please email me at: TSantore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
