The mailing lists are a maze and designed for contributors not for mere users.
The prescribed mechanism on the Fedora website is http://fedoraforum.org/
This website is clearly avoided like the plague by all contributors. If ANYBODY who had any say in the Fedora project visited things like the VERY VERY VERY unpopular changes to the GDM would be instantly reversed. In fact many like myself for the first time no longer have Fedora running on any of my machines for the first time since Fedora came into existence. Since about 97 I've had at least 1 machine usually most or all running Redhat and later Fedora. It's been my main distro for years. The GDM issue was the last straw. Feedback on fedora forums on all the Linux forums I've visited has been extremely negative and I've seen quite a few people do the same thing I have and switch to another distro.
2. Why does the Fedora project TELL people to go to a forum to give feedback then never visit the place much less listen to feedback offered? It is clearly stated at the Fedora forums that contributors never visit there because so many arrive on their shores with the false hope of actually giving feedback.
2011/3/2 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx>
As Brian mentioned in [1],[2] as in the CWG wanted to get a constructive
feedback on COC and COCE proposed drafts from the whole community on the
FAB list highlights one issue that the project is facing as in we don't
have a good way of gathering community feedback on topics.
This issue is probably know but for some reason not being worked upon?
( Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong )
Anyway to point out the obvious encase nobody was aware of this issue.
( we have been without one for now about 15 release cycles so something
is amiss )
He posts the proposed drafts to a single mailing list which..
a)
Has a limited number of users subscribed to it
b)
Requires all members of the community to be subscribed to that
particular list.
c)
Mailing list provide the ability to see and reply to others people feed
back resulting in so called *noise* as in people reassuring their
feedback encase the message/meaning did get through and etc.. rather
then constructive discussion.
That results in an end result that is far from being effective and
reaching the whole community.
Coming up with a rough solution to gather the feedback is a no brainer
First we need a common dominator that applies to all community members
and that one is obvious FAS account.
Next we need a web server with a DB backend, hooked up to FAS with an
simple web page that the community member logs into that displays to him
what he needs to provide his feedback and two text boxes one for the
feedback and another one for any question he might have with regards to
the proposal/draft itself.
With the above in place all that is needed is to request the feedback
via our public channels like a mail to the announce or something similar.
Now the tricky part is coming up with a simple yet scalable to the total
number of community members solution, to work through all that feedback
I got couple of ideas up my sleeves for that but instead of reinventing
the wheel I propose that existing survey tools like [1],[2] be looked at
first to see how they have solved the problem we are facing.
JBG
1.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-March/010525.html
2.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-March/010526.html
3. http://www.limesurvey.org/
4. http://www.doodle.com
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