So it is probably time to have a dev.fedoraproject.org. Why? Well, toshio had mentioned having others do some of the 'sysadminy' tasks so developers can focus on development. Also Luke had an analogous request wrt community and staging but before I go setting things up some topics for discussion: 1) Security staging and production are identical. Since production data regularly gets migrated to staging people that have access to one, might as well have access to the other. Generally our staging environment is mostly used for integration work, some load work as well. 2) Should we run development from rpms that get edited (like live patches) or should we run them from scm(ish) checkouts. I generally vote for the latter as it feels more useful in a development lifecycle. But we should come up with a quick standard for how to store this stuff. something like /srv/dev/ 3) I don't want this to be all fancy. All of our apps run in their own namespaces so we should be able to get by with one or two app dev servers and we should be able to use them without a reverse proxy. Questions comments? It'd be nice to just throw them all together on a couple of hosts in their own namespace. It'll help find issues with them playing together. -Mike _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure