--- Log opened Thu Jan 21 00:00:09 2010 00:01 < jjmcd> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21 00:01 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 00:01:45 2010 UTC. The chair is jjmcd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:01 -!- rudi [n=rlandman@nat/redhat/x-dzspknwnyjmvolra] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:01 < jjmcd> #topic roll call 00:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: roll call (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:01 * jjmcd . 00:01 * quaid 00:01 * rudi is here but not with 100% attention... 00:02 -!- marwalk [n=marwalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:02 < jjmcd> Sorry if a little disorganized. I only found out sparks was AWOL a couple minutes ago 00:02 -!- laubersm [n=Susan@fedora/laubersm] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:03 < jjmcd> #topic F13 Release Schedule 00:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: F13 Release Schedule (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:03 * laubersm stands in the back 00:03 < jjmcd> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks.html 00:03 < jjmcd> Don't be hiding laubersm 00:03 < jjmcd> ANyone have any comments, difficulties etc with the F13 schedule? 00:04 < jjmcd> I was unable to find my notes for John and haven't had time to recreate them, but they weren't biggies anyway 00:05 < quaid> for the last release, were there any miscommunications 00:05 < quaid> or disconnects? 00:05 < jjmcd> Yes 00:05 < jjmcd> quite a few 00:05 < jjmcd> I think most got addressed in the new schedule 00:05 < quaid> do we need to get an actual affirmative from people about the schedule? 00:05 < quaid> "Put your name on this wiki page" or mark a checkbox or something? 00:06 < jjmcd> That might be worthwhile, although I suspect ianweller, danielsmw, ke4qqq and othere may or may not be here 00:06 < jjmcd> But there is a good idea quaid 00:06 < jjmcd> #action jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree to the schedule 00:07 < jjmcd> Everyone OK with that? 00:07 < laubersm> I think the larger communication issues were with other groups though... like releng needing the rpm before we were scheduled to build it.. 00:07 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 00:07 < laubersm> I'm good with the sched (as much as I have looked) and good with a wiki to get the people really involved to sign off 00:07 < jjmcd> Well, yeah. That was a biggie, and you better believe this time i triple checked 00:08 -!- radsy [n=irc@nat/redhat/x-sojlpuxefsnjpjux] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:08 < jjmcd> And we will have some surprises this time since we are handling the L10N interface differently 00:08 < jjmcd> OK, anything else on the schedule? 00:09 < jjmcd> Moving on 00:09 < jjmcd> #topic Desktop Help Summit 00:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Desktop Help Summit (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:09 -!- rwmjones_lptp_ [n=rjones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:10 < jjmcd> #link http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 00:10 < jjmcd> OK, it looks as if sparks might not be able to go 00:10 < laubersm> too far out on the schedule for me to say if I can be there. But it is not out of the question. 00:10 < jjmcd> laubersm, any news on whether you will make it? 00:10 < jjmcd> OK 00:10 < jjmcd> Is anyone else thinking about it? 00:10 < laubersm> Still even a possibilty I can get RH schedule me to teach up there before or after (thus covering plane at the same time) 00:11 < jjmcd> That would be a perfect scenario 00:11 < laubersm> They won't have the schedule together for a while (working on the first 2 weeks of Feb today) 00:11 < jjmcd> Right now I think I am the only for sure going, and we really should have two or three of us 00:12 < jjmcd> I told Max in a perfect world, rudi would be there but he didn't bite 00:12 < laubersm> :) 00:12 < rudi> lolz thanks anyway :) 00:12 < jjmcd> Well, especially without sparks it would be really good, but it is kind of a hike 00:13 < jjmcd> Anything else on the summit? 00:13 < jjmcd> Oh, I started to mention, Max did indicate he can make some funding available 00:14 < jjmcd> And we really should have more representation than me if Susan can't make it 00:15 < jjmcd> OK, moving on 00:15 < jjmcd> #topic Release Notes 00:15 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Release Notes (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:15 < jjmcd> This one is quick. I did post a new updated test RPM if anyone wants to test 00:16 < jjmcd> I don't have the link right here but I did send it to the list 00:16 * quaid has to move networks (head home), bbi7m 00:16 < jjmcd> Paul made a good catch on the first one, but other than that 00:16 < jjmcd> Thanks quaid 00:16 -!- bochecha [n=bochecha@fedora/bochecha] has quit "Leaving" 00:17 < jjmcd> Any questions, updates, comments, concerns about release notes? 00:17 -!- rwmjones [n=rjones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) 00:17 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=lalala@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 00:17 < jjmcd> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:17 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Status on CMS (Zikula) (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:17 < jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:18 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=lalala@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:18 < jjmcd> I'm not so sure we have any of the usual suspects here 00:18 < jjmcd> Any reports on Zikula? 00:19 < jjmcd> I guess not 00:19 < jjmcd> so 00:19 < jjmcd> #topic Guide Status 00:19 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Guide Status (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:20 < jjmcd> rudi, any comments/updates on the guides? 00:20 < rudi> jjmcd -- nothing this week 00:20 < jjmcd> OK, anyone else on guides? 00:21 < jjmcd> #topic New Guides 00:21 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: New Guides (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:21 < jjmcd> Anyone starting new guides? 00:22 < jjmcd> #topic All other business 00:22 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: All other business (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21) 00:22 < radsy> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq/ i'm updating that 00:22 < jjmcd> OK, here I do have something 00:23 < jjmcd> It looks as if sparks may be scarce for a little while here, I don't have any data on how long at this point, so if you see a leadership vacuum please don't be shy about stepping up 00:24 < jjmcd> Of course, under normal circumstances there is no need to be timid, but for now try to get over your timidity please 00:25 < jjmcd> Ahh, rasdy, sorry I middes that 00:25 < jjmcd> How are you coming? Need anything? 00:25 < radsy> nope, going fine - waiting for the next sync on that page, and adding a lot from dwalsh@ 00:26 < jjmcd> good deal 00:26 < jjmcd> I still need to do some recruiting for the ARG 00:26 < radsy> was considerably out-dated 00:27 < jjmcd> hehe - that is something that needs not only documentation, but also marketing 00:27 -!- dychen_ [n=dingyich@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 00:28 < radsy> i also had a couple of EOI for adding to the wireless-guide, but no email responses or IRC arrivals :( 00:28 < jjmcd> ahh 00:28 < jjmcd> I think a lot of people imagine that they aren't 31337 enough or something 00:29 -!- dychen_ [n=dingyich@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:29 -!- dingyichen [n=dingyich@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:29 < radsy> nothing else from me at this point 00:29 < jjmcd> Is there anything else for the good of the order? 00:30 < jjmcd> If you're thinking about going to Chicago, think harder! 00:30 < jjmcd> last call 00:31 < jjmcd> 9 00:31 < jjmcd> 8 00:31 < jjmcd> 7 00:31 < jjmcd> 6 00:31 < jjmcd> 5 00:31 < laubersm> 12 00:31 < laubersm> 42 00:31 < laubersm> hut 00:31 < jjmcd> 432 00:31 < jjmcd> #endmeeting 00:31 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule 00:31 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 00:32:19 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 00:31 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.html 00:31 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.txt 00:31 < laubersm> thanks jjmcd 00:31 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.log.html 00:31 < jjmcd> thanks everyone 00:32 -!- laubersm [n=Susan@fedora/laubersm] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 00:33 -!- radsy [n=irc@nat/redhat/x-sojlpuxefsnjpjux] has left #fedora-meeting [] 00:38 -!- pwbarnes [n=patrickw@fedora/nman64] has joined #fedora-meeting 00:43 -!- marwalk [n=marwalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 00:44 -!- pwbarnes is now known as pwbarnes_away 00:46 -!- jjmcd [n=jjmcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #Fedora-Meeting ["Leaving"] 00:46 -!- 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The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:30 < nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 16:30 < nirik> #topic init process 16:30 < zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 16:30 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: init process (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:30 -!- hiemanshu [n=hiemansh@fedora/hiemanshu] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:30 < nirik> who all is around for meeting? 16:30 * hiemanshu 16:30 * EvilBob 16:30 -!- Dan_NH [n=subnuke@pdpc/supporter/professional/SubNuke] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:30 -!- XanThaOs [n=sacredde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:31 -!- Muhammad_Saad [n=saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:32 * nirik will wait a minute or two more for folks to wander in. 16:32 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@nat/redhat/x-tdntbezwihoqavxz] has quit "Leaving" 16:34 < nirik> ok, I guess we should go ahead and get starteed. 16:34 < nirik> started even. 16:34 < nirik> #topic registration and spam 16:35 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: registration and spam (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:35 < nirik> so, the big news this last week has been the spammers/floodbots on freenode. 16:35 * thomasj here 16:35 < nirik> we have setup a redirect for any unregistered user to #fedora-unregistered 16:35 < nirik> along with a number of ways to tell people there that they should register. 16:36 < nirik> The thought was that we keep this setup until the freenode ircd move and try going back to the old setup then. 16:36 < nirik> any thoughts on things we should change now or other ideas moving ahead? 16:36 < EvilBob> I am not aware of the changes the newbring IRCd will 16:37 < EvilBob> I am not aware of the changes the new IRCd will bring 16:37 < nirik> I have heard from a number of staffers that the new ircd should help block floodbots like we were seeing this last week. 16:37 < nirik> but I have no details on how it would. 16:37 < EvilBob> This is working, keeping some of the part/join noise down even 16:38 < nirik> from the freenode blog: "This new ircd provides a number of exciting new capabilities including improved capability to deal with spam of all kinds, including this most recent type which is entirely mitigated by improvements in seven" 16:38 < fenris02> the existint ircd is quite hackable 16:38 < thomasj> Works very well. Not just the spam bots are out, even most of the trolls. 16:38 < fenris02> also provides ircs 16:38 < EvilBob> The users "stuck" in -unregistered are not participants in the channel anyhow 16:38 < thomasj> Speaking of #fedora now 16:39 < nirik> yeah, it's caught a few of those for sure. 16:39 < fenris02> very few trolls remain in #fedora after +rR 16:39 < EvilBob> again with the +rR 16:39 < hiemanshu> I think the current setup is good, and probably even continue after the new IRCd 16:39 * fenris02 guesses that the number of kbans has gone down considerably since 16:40 < nirik> we don't have +R set. ;) 16:40 < nirik> but yeah... 16:40 < thomasj> No kick/ban from my side since we changed it. 16:40 < EvilBob> The current policy is different than the old policy 16:40 < nirik> so, sounds like folks are wanting to keep the current setup moving forward? 16:40 < thomasj> +1 16:40 < hiemanshu> +1 16:41 < Dan_NH> +1 16:41 < fenris02> EvilBob, what was the old policy? 16:41 < fenris02> +1 nirik 16:41 < EvilBob> the current sends unregistered users to a channel where communication is not prevented 16:41 * fenris02 nods 16:41 < EvilBob> the old policy sent them in to a muted channel 16:41 < EvilBob> +1 keep the current 16:41 < nirik> well, not sure we need to decide right now... 16:42 < fenris02> EvilBob, did the old policy work better, worse, or about the same as the current one? 16:42 * Dan_NH can see benefit of old policy. 16:42 < EvilBob> fenris02: does not matter it is not allowed 16:43 < nirik> EvilBob: ? 16:43 -!- cwickert [n=chris@fedora/cwickert] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:43 < fenris02> EvilBob, oic. i'd asked about doing that a bit earlier 16:43 < EvilBob> fenris02: ;^) this is by far better 16:43 < EvilBob> fenris02: sending unknowing/uneducated users in to a block hole really sucked 16:44 < fenris02> ok, fair enough 16:44 < EvilBob> fenris02: with -unregistered not muted they can at least ask for help registering 16:44 < nirik> I think if we are going to go this long term we need: board buyin, and docs updated (to note about registering, etc). 16:45 < EvilBob> see "the board" when reading my "not allowed" comment 16:45 < thomasj> What docs need updating? 16:45 < nirik> thomasj: the communicate ones on the wiki most likely? 16:45 < nirik> and/or any of the install/release notes that talk about where to get help 16:46 < fenris02> the irc page on fp.o already mentions registering. that's how i knew. it does need updates - but only to add the newer channels (-uk, 398, freeipa, etc..) 16:46 < thomasj> nirik, good point 16:46 < nirik> EvilBob: sure, but I think we can get buyin if we approach with clear advantages, etc. 16:46 -!- poelcat [n=slick@fedora/poelcat] has quit "rebooting" 16:46 < nb> is anyone in #fedora-unregistered to help people register? 16:46 < EvilBob> nb: yes 16:46 < nirik> nb: yep. A number of us ops are. 16:46 < EvilBob> nb: most of the ops hang out there 16:46 < nb> oh ok 16:46 * nb will idle in there too 16:47 < nirik> we also have: a welcome message with a link, a topic with a link, a bot that spews every 15min with a note/link. 16:47 < nb> nice 16:47 < nirik> I think since freenode is now not +R, we could also point folks there to help get registered. 16:47 < EvilBob> nirik: I think we are doing everything "right" this time 16:47 < nirik> if we can't figure it out. 16:48 -!- fab_ [n=bellet@xxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 16:48 < nirik> yeah, I think it's working not too bad... 16:48 * EvilBob waits for the next item 16:48 < nirik> anything further on this topic? or shall we move along? 16:48 < nirik> #topic Stats 16:48 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Stats (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:49 < nirik> weekly stats over at http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html as usual. 16:49 < fenris02> woot! not #1 for a change! 16:49 < nirik> been a lighter than normal week I think... 16:49 < nirik> yikes. I am. 16:50 < EvilBob> Looks like a few kicks, not a list of bans? 16:50 < nirik> sadly, one of the spammer links is in there. ;( 16:51 < nirik> (please don't click on it :) 16:51 < hiemanshu> at the top 16:51 < fenris02> 94x sheesh 16:51 -!- fab_ [n=bellet@xxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:51 < hiemanshu> I am sure imageshack does not have 527 img servers 16:51 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:51 < fenris02> the host looks down anyhow 16:51 -!- MooDoo [n=paulmell@fedora/MooDoo] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:51 < EvilBob> In -social we had no kicks and one ban 16:51 < nirik> EvilBob: I think the second part talking about kicks was really bans. 16:52 -!- nullsys [n=nullsys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:52 < EvilBob> user posted a link to a porn banners site 16:52 < nirik> but I can only think of one ban in fedora recently. 16:52 * Southern_Gentlem 16:52 < EvilBob> I set a 1 weekban using the bot so it should autoexpire 16:52 < nirik> ok, anything further on stats? Perhaps we could ask to get stats on unregistered as well... 16:53 < nirik> EvilBob: you may need to check that, the bot might have been restarted since then... and it forgets it's timer then. ;( 16:53 < fenris02> EvilBob, unless the bot restarts somewhere between when you set +1w and 1w later. 16:53 < EvilBob> THe Sonars are out of town on Family business 16:53 * nirik restarted the bot on the 18th. 16:53 < EvilBob> nirik fenris02: I have a note here somewhere 16:53 -!- fab_ is now known as fab 16:53 < nirik> ok, anything else on stats? 16:54 < EvilBob> if I never find it or forget it will get cleaned up someday 16:54 < nirik> #topic Open Floor 16:54 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:55 < nirik> ok, I had nothing else off hand... anyone have any items for open floor? 16:55 < fenris02> the new -uk channel 16:55 < nullsys> :) 16:55 < Southern_Gentlem> nirik, fedbot in -uk?? 16:55 < Southern_Gentlem> nirik, fedbot in -uk?? 16:55 < nirik> ah yes, there is a new #fedora-uk channel starting up. 16:55 < EvilBob> the point of -uk? 16:55 < nb> do we want zodbot in therE? 16:55 * nb can join it 16:55 < nullsys> My and MooDoo set it up 16:55 -!- slipp3d [n=Slip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:55 < nirik> nullsys: care to talk about the channel a bit? 16:56 < nirik> #topic #fedora-uk 16:56 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: #fedora-uk (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 16:56 < nullsys> Sure 16:56 < nb> .join #fedora-uk 16:56 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 16:56 < MooDoo> nirik: it's just a channel i thought we'd setup for uk users. 16:56 < EvilBob> Most #fedora-XX channels are for specific language support 16:56 < MooDoo> nothing special but it seems the people of the uk did want somewhere to go other than #fedora 16:56 < EvilBob> Last I checked those in the UK used English... 16:56 < Southern_Gentlem> basic to help organize UK people 16:56 < fenris02> MooDoo, purely out of curiosity - what reasons to they mention ? 16:57 < nirik> EvilBob: if we see someone type 'colour' we can send them there? 16:57 < nullsys> Myself and MooDoo are UK ambassadors. After I joined the ambassador group we had a discussion about the lack of response Fedora is seeing in the UK. So after speaking to rsc and a few other ambasadors we felt it would be a great idea to start a specific UK group were events, ideas and discussions could acumulate to a positive Fedora community for the UK 16:57 < EvilBob> nirik: or #fedora-Kanehdah 16:57 < nullsys> The positive response from the past 48 hours of it being active has been impressive. 16:57 < nirik> EvilBob: take off eh. 16:57 < Southern_Gentlem> ok guys the roads are getting bad so i am heading for the house 16:57 < MooDoo> fenris02: the ones i've spoken to, too busy, hard to get yourself heard, the odd one mentioned unhelpfulness [although i've experienced that] 16:57 < EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: be safe 16:57 < nirik> Southern_Gentlem: drive safe. 16:58 < MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: bye bye 16:58 < nullsys> Coupled with the website fedora-uk.org we have had new ambassador requests, new members, new irc users, new offers for freemedia distrobution and alot of requests to help with events and support 16:58 < fenris02> Southern_Gentlem, have a safe trip 16:58 < nirik> MooDoo: excellent. So we should point community folks that we notice that are in the uk your way? 16:58 < nullsys> THere is a specific mailing list, planet.* and hopefully a wiki/forum soon. 16:58 < fenris02> MooDoo, unhelpfulness = reading docs, or rudeness? 16:58 -!- stickster [n=nnnnpfri@fedora/stickster] has quit "Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0" 16:58 < EvilBob> Building Community is a great reason for the channel 16:58 < MooDoo> fenris02: rudeness 16:58 < fenris02> the fp.o page should mention -uk as well imho 16:59 < EvilBob> MooDoo: I resemble that remark 16:59 < nirik> yeah, can get it added there. 16:59 -!- stickster [n=pfrields@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:59 < nullsys> Thanks fenris02, that would be a great positive help to do that. 16:59 < nullsys> I have a blog on blogs.* and the room is also mentioned in two other places on the wiki 17:00 < EvilBob> Many people find someone pointing them to a document rude 17:00 < nullsys> spot is of course the owner of the channel, but we have also had help from VileGent, nirik and others. So I also just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has helped so far. 17:00 < fenris02> EvilBob, thats why i had to ask, to make exactly that distinction 17:00 < EvilBob> I have experienced this reaction from many including those from the UK 17:00 < nirik> excellent. If you guys need any further help, let us know! 17:00 < nullsys> will do, dont you worry ;) 17:00 < nirik> anything further on #fedora-uk ? 17:01 < MooDoo> nothing i can think of, approval would be good ;) 17:01 < EvilBob> Send those that need help to #fedora, send a chaperon if needed 17:01 -!- nphilipp [n=nils@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 17:01 < MooDoo> EvilBob: that's what we'd do anyway 17:01 < nullsys> Absolutely, we dont want to be an alternative for fedora channels, just somewhere specific for uk users. 17:01 < fenris02> anytime you have 500+ people, there will be some rude apples 17:02 < nullsys> thanks for letting us talk :) 17:02 < nirik> #topic Open Floor Redux 17:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor Redux (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)) 17:02 < nirik> ok, anything further before we close out? 17:02 < Dan_NH> thank you for having this meeting in the open. 17:03 < nullsys> I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for welcoming me to the community, im very new here but the support has been great. 17:03 < EvilBob> Just request to continue to be tolerant of others perhaps being more relaxed than you are or might expect 17:03 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:04 < nirik> Dan_NH: no problem. Thanks for coming. We really want more feedback from the community if we can get it... 17:04 < nirik> EvilBob: +1 17:04 < EvilBob> Just because someone likes to joke a bit does not mean that they should be "removed" 17:05 -!- giallu [n=giallu@fedora/giallu] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 17:05 < EvilBob> Hope we have another Great week 17:05 < MooDoo> what about requesting ops for a channel? 17:05 < fenris02> that's a thin line EvilBob ... if the joke involves steering someone to breaking their system, it is not funny 17:05 < EvilBob> Oh and welcome hiemanshu 17:05 < hiemanshu> Thank you EvilBob :) 17:05 < fenris02> oh, we didnt welcome hiemanshu last week? my bad 17:05 < nirik> MooDoo: which channel? 17:05 < MooDoo> #fedora-ambassadors 17:05 < nirik> oh yeah, welcome hiemanshu 17:06 < nirik> MooDoo: you would have to talk to spot about that... 17:06 < EvilBob> fenris02: setting the default runlevel to 6 is not breaking a system and is VERY funny... ;^) 17:06 < EvilBob> NOTE: Dont do this 17:06 < hiemanshu> EvilBob: +1 17:06 < MooDoo> nirik: ok thanks 17:06 < hiemanshu> nirik, fenris02 : Thank you :) 17:06 < nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 17:06 < EvilBob> Buhbye 17:06 < nirik> #endmeeting 17:06 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule 17:06 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 17:07:21 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 17:06 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/irc-support-sig.2010-01-21-16.30.html 17:06 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/irc-support-sig.2010-01-21-16.30.txt 17:06 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/irc-support-sig.2010-01-21-16.30.log.html 17:06 -!- MooDoo [n=paulmell@fedora/MooDoo] has left #fedora-meeting [] 17:07 < hiemanshu> No one spoke bacon this week :P 17:07 -!- fenris02 [n=dj@fedora/fenris02] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 17:07 < Dan_NH> pork? :P 17:07 < nirik> hiemanshu: thats pretty shocking. 17:07 < hiemanshu> nirik: probably because the Sonar_* were missing :) 17:08 * nullsys runs off into the caverns of cheerio breakfast cereal... 17:08 < nullsys> thanks all 17:08 -!- nullsys [n=nullsys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting ["Byesicles"] 17:13 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Remote closed the connection 17:16 -!- Muhammad_Saad [n=saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 17:18 -!- XulWork [n=cstone@fedora/XulChris] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:18 -!- mchua_afk is now known as mchua 17:19 -!- smooge [n=smooge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:28 -!- akia [n=admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 17:28 -!- cweyl|work [n=cweyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit No route to host 17:31 -!- akia [n=admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:39 -!- poelcat [n=slick@fedora/poelcat] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:40 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple|@99-186-52-80.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has quit "Ex-Chat" 17:48 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=lalala@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 17:48 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=lalala@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:49 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:50 -!- yshao_ [n=yshao@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 17:50 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple|@99-186-52-80.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:54 -!- seth [n=skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:00 -!- RodrigoPadula [n=rodrigop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ex-Chat" 18:00 -!- skvidal [n=nnnnnnsk@fedora/skvidal] has quit Nick collision from services. 18:00 -!- seth is now known as skvidal 18:00 -!- lmr__ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 18:01 -!- XulWork [n=cstone@fedora/XulChris] has quit "leaving" 18:03 -!- XanThaOs [n=sacredde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 18:06 -!- smooge [n=smooge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "-ENOBRAIN" 18:09 -!- cweyl|work [n=cweyl@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:11 -!- XulWork [n=cstone@fedora/XulChris] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:13 -!- sassmann [n=sassmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 18:15 -!- rishi [n=rishi@gnu-india/supporter/debarshi] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:19 -!- dgilmore [n=dgilmore@fedora/dgilmore] has quit Remote closed the connection 18:20 -!- cassmodiah [n=cassie@fedora/cassmodiah] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:28 -!- dgilmore [n=dgilmore@fedora/dgilmore] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:39 -!- slipp3d [n=Slip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 18:43 -!- slipp3d [n=Slip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:48 -!- ajoian [n=ajoian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 18:48 -!- mchua is now known as mchua_afk 19:04 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:22 -!- wwoods [n=wwoods@nat/redhat/x-qxgmexmcqiqdiplu] has quit Remote closed the connection 19:26 -!- cmpahar [n=cmpahar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:31 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 19:34 -!- J5_ [n=quintice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:39 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo@fedora/nucleo] has quit "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3713, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2010-01-01 18:58:23 UTC" 19:40 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo@fedora/nucleo] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:40 -!- J5 [n=quintice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ex-Chat" 19:41 -!- J5_ is now known as J5 19:41 -!- kital [n=jsimon@fedora/kital] has quit "leaving" 19:41 -!- kital [n=jsimon@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:42 -!- smooge [n=smooge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:53 -!- jaxjax [n=jaxjax@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:59 -!- quaid [n=quaid@fedora/quaid] has quit "system reboot, brb" 19:59 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 19:59 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 20:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:59 -!- nullsys [n=nullsys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:59 * ricky 19:59 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? 19:59 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? 19:59 * ricky 19:59 * jds2001 19:59 < jaxjax> Hi 19:59 * wzzrd 20:00 < abadger1999> Here. 20:00 * nirik is lingering in the back 20:00 -!- sijis [n=sijis@fedora/sijis] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:00 < nullsys> Here 20:00 * sijis is here 20:00 -!- a-k [n=akistler@2002:638e:2930:3:20d:56ff:fe10:bb8d] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:00 < jaxjax> I'm newby here 20:00 * a-k is 20:00 < mmcgrath> Lets see if we can get through the meeting without taking the wiki down or losing a chunk of one of our production switches. 20:00 < mmcgrath> OK, lets get started 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:01 * sijis is wondering how a meeting can take down the wiki 20:01 < mmcgrath> sijis: ehh, we lost the wiki twice last night for seemingly very strange reasons. 20:01 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 20:01 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y 20:01 < mmcgrath> hey look, no tickets. 20:01 < mmcgrath> that makes this easy. 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic boot.fedoraproject.org 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: boot.fedoraproject.org 20:01 < jaxjax> :) 20:02 < mmcgrath> So this is kind of an odd topic since we don't really deal directly with the OS all that often. 20:02 < mmcgrath> but - http://boot.fedoraproject.org/ 20:02 -!- brothers [n=brothers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 < mmcgrath> is unofficially online. 20:02 < mmcgrath> I'd appreciate it if people with abilities can give it a try. 20:02 < mmcgrath> there's experimental stuff on there that flat out doesn't work 20:02 -!- giallu [n=giallu@fedora/giallu] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 < mmcgrath> but install and rescue bits should 20:03 < mmcgrath> Has anyone had a chance to play with it yet? 20:03 < abadger1999> Anyway to generate a list of what's hosted semi-automatically? 20:03 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: on fedorahosted? 20:03 < abadger1999> On boot.fp.o 20:03 < abadger1999> The images we can boot. 20:04 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ah, I'll try to get one together, at the moment just install media. I'm hoping to get live media going though 20:04 < wzzrd> mmcgrath: boot is wicked; anything specific you want tested? 20:04 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: just it, over and over and over. 20:04 < wzzrd> doing it as we speak 20:04 < mmcgrath> if it's buggy I don't want to expose the users to it yet. 20:04 -!- drago01 [n=linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:04 -!- _yawns_ [n=yawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:04 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "-ENOBRAIN" 20:05 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: oh, and some other tools are on there. 20:05 < jds2001> is BKO officially launcehd yet? 20:05 < sijis> is this going to be the new way to install fedora? 20:05 < mmcgrath> the thing that's nice is we can update it without having to force people to re-burn the image. 20:05 < mmcgrath> jds2001: good question, I'm not sure if he's advertising it actively or not yet. 20:05 < mmcgrath> BFO (based on BKO) is not yet official but I have a feature request in 20:05 < mmcgrath> sijis: it's going to be "a new way" to install fedora 20:06 < wzzrd> won't this cost massive bandwidth? or doesn't that matter? 20:06 < sijis> gotcha, an alternative 20:06 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: actually, as it stands right now, it won't. 20:06 < mmcgrath> since it relies on the mirrors. 20:06 < mmcgrath> having said that... if we go into live media.. That gets much trickier. 20:06 < Oxf13> yeah 20:06 < mmcgrath> and involves some architectural decisions. 20:07 < mmcgrath> I may not post them at all, I may just point to what BKO already has setup. 20:07 < Oxf13> mmcgrath: is there anything about boot.fp.o that requires releng to put content somewhere different/else/triggersomething/whatever? 20:07 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: not really, the one thing I was hoping from you guys is to get some things into our default initrd's that aren't there now 20:07 < mmcgrath> like iscsi and nfs support 20:07 < mmcgrath> other then that I don't think there's any changes for anyone. 20:08 < Oxf13> I've been trying to get notting and warthog to talk about that for months :/ 20:08 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: as I understand it there's an ordering problem with dracut. 20:08 < Oxf13> I really don't know what the deal is 20:08 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: perhaps after the meeting you can step me through exactly what command you run to build an ISO and I can do some tests and see if I can get it working. 20:08 < mmcgrath> I've gotten it working after the fact. 20:08 < mmcgrath> but in the actual build process I'm a little confused what is going on 20:08 < Oxf13> sure 20:09 -!- quaid [n=quaid@fedora/quaid] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:09 < mmcgrath> Anyone else have any questions about that? 20:09 < mmcgrath> If not we'll move on. 20:09 < mmcgrath> k 20:09 < mmcgrath> #topic The outages last night 20:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The outages last night 20:09 < mmcgrath> So last night was weird. 20:10 < mmcgrath> special thanks for ricky and nigel for taking care of things. 20:10 < mmcgrath> The wiki went out twice, then we lost a switch blade in one of our switches. 20:10 -!- dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2_WLG 20:10 < mmcgrath> that's now replaced as of an hour or two ago. 20:10 -!- mchua_afk is now known as mchua 20:10 < mmcgrath> We're not sure if the switch issues caused the wiki issues or not 20:10 < mmcgrath> really not much else to say about that. 20:10 < mmcgrath> #topic NTP 20:10 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: NTP 20:10 < mmcgrath> smooge: this all done? 20:11 < smooge> NTP is done 20:11 < ricky> I have some puppet errors about being unable to remove the ntp package 20:11 < ricky> Some machines need system-config-date for something, and thus need ntp 20:11 < mmcgrath> ricky: how many errors? 20:12 < ricky> So I'd juts disable the service and not remove the package in ntp::noclient 20:12 < smooge> all hardware systems should be running NTP 20:12 < smooge> oh ok 20:12 < smooge> I can change the logic 20:12 < ricky> compose machines, spin1, publictest2 20:12 < smooge> sorry didn't know that 20:12 < ricky> No worries, it didn't cause any harm 20:12 < pjones> mmcgrath: Oxf13: the ordering problem is that there's no way to tell rpm to order something earlier in the transaction /if and only if/ it's already there. 20:12 < mmcgrath> ricky: so non-RHEL hosts? 20:13 < smooge> well I was planning on installing it on all machines at first and just have it not running.. but I was worried if that was outside of standard scope 20:13 < ricky> Ah, looks like it, didn't notice that. 20:13 < mmcgrath> pjones: is there some command we can run in %post? 20:14 < pjones> not really; for mpath I'm probably going to change anaconda to set hostonly in the dracut config and rebuild the initrd at the end of install. which sucks. 20:14 < pjones> (we could make other things do that as well) 20:14 < mmcgrath> pjones: mind if I ping you after the meeting for more? 20:15 < pjones> mmcgrath: no problem 20:15 < mmcgrath> smooge: ricky: we can take a look after the meeting 20:15 < mmcgrath> ricky: what is the error btw? 20:15 < smooge> np 20:15 < ricky> Thu Jan 21 17:10:55 +0000 2010 //ntp::noclient/Package[ntp]/ensure (err): change from 4.2.4p8-1.fc13 t 20:15 < ricky> o absent failed: Execution of '/bin/rpm -e ntp-4.2.4p8-1.fc13.x86_64' returned 1: error: Failed depend 20:15 < ricky> encies: ntp is needed by (installed) system-config-date-1.9.53-1.fc13.noarch 20:15 < mmcgrath> ricky: thanks. 20:16 < dgilmore> we should use yum to remove it :) 20:16 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:16 < mmcgrath> Ok, any questions on that? 20:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: I think puppet actually used to do that. 20:17 < mmcgrath> Ok, moving along 20:17 < mmcgrath> #topic Search Engine 20:17 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Search Engine 20:17 < mmcgrath> a-k: around? 20:17 < a-k> yep 20:17 < a-k> One of our candidates, Xapian, is on publictest3 20:17 -!- cassmodiah [n=cassie@fedora/cassmodiah] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:17 < a-k> I got it to crawl fedoraproject.org to a depth of 4 (after about 4 hours of running) 20:17 < mmcgrath> how'd the crawl go? 20:17 < a-k> I expected disk to be the issue, but it was memory, instead 20:18 < a-k> The indexer chewed up all the memory at a depth of 5 (after about 10 hours of running) 20:18 < a-k> So I backed off one level 20:18 < a-k> The search tool is available at: 20:18 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:18 < a-k> #link http://publictest3.fedoraproject.org/cgi-bin/omega 20:18 < a-k> Nutch is next to do 20:18 < a-k> I'll update the wiki with the new info on publictest 20:18 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:19 < a-k> huzaifas also says he'll be updating the wiki with the stuff he's evaluated in the past month or so 20:19 -!- bochecha [n=bochecha@fedora/bochecha] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:19 < a-k> That's about it for now 20:19 < mmcgrath> a-k: excellent. 20:19 < mmcgrath> seems pretty peppy 20:19 < mmcgrath> a-k: do you need more memory? 20:19 < mmcgrath> how much does pt3 have now? 20:19 < a-k> I don't know if the memory issue was a leak or if it really needs more 20:19 < a-k> We could always try more, if you're up for it 20:20 < a-k> But I don't know how much more more is 20:20 < jds2001> its got 2gb 20:20 < a-k> A 2g of swap 20:20 < mmcgrath> jds2001: it's x86_64 though :-/ 20:20 < mmcgrath> hmm 20:20 < mmcgrath> I wonder if we should rebuild it i386 20:20 < jds2001> mmcgrath: it's at ibiblio, so we've got plenty of resources there 20:20 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:20 < a-k> Where will it run when deployed? 20:21 < a-k> ... if ever ... 20:21 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:21 < jds2001> on the app servers, i think.... 20:21 < mmcgrath> a-k: probably across multiple hosts in PHX2 20:21 < mmcgrath> a-k: can I reboot publictest3 right now? 20:21 < a-k> reboot, sure 20:22 < a-k> But it will run on x86_64, right, so we should test there 20:22 < jds2001> mmcgrath: how are you doing this? :) 20:22 < mmcgrath> a-k: it may or may not. 20:22 < mmcgrath> a-k: we run lots of stuff on i386 and get a considerable memory savings on some. 20:22 < mmcgrath> a-k: ok, publictest3 is booting and now has 4G of RAM. 20:22 < mmcgrath> we'll see if that helps. 20:23 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any other questions about that? 20:23 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:23 < mmcgrath> jds2001: I'm doing it on ibiblio1 if that's what you're asking? 20:24 < mmcgrath> anywho, that's that 20:24 < mmcgrath> #topic Noobs? 20:24 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Noobs? 20:24 < mmcgrath> Any new people around that want to say hey? 20:25 < nullsys> Im a noob 20:25 < _yawns_> hey 20:25 < mmcgrath> nullsys: yeah, you're working with the websites team right? 20:25 < ricky> Welcome 20:25 < mmcgrath> and helped with blogs? 20:25 < jaxjax> Hi 20:25 * wzzrd is a noob too :-) 20:25 * dgilmore is n00b 20:25 < nullsys> hiemanshu, been around a week or two. Working on blogsadmin, helping out with website team on a few projects. Im an ambassador and in the freemedia group. Also working with MooDoo to head the fedora-uk stuff too. 20:25 < nullsys> sorry, "hi" + tab again lol. 20:26 < mmcgrath> nullsys: excellent, welcome 20:26 < nullsys> thanks :) 20:26 < mmcgrath> _yawns_: you're new? what brings you to Infrastructure? 20:26 < hiemanshu> nullsys: fix it :) 20:26 < nullsys> Told you i'd bug you :P 20:26 < _yawns_> interested in helping how I can 20:27 < _yawns_> not really sure exactly in what fashion yet 20:27 < nullsys> Im sure plenty of projects require allsorts of happy. Have you had a look at the different ways you can "join"? 20:28 < _yawns_> I had a look around a bit last night and saw this meeting today 20:28 < mmcgrath> _yawns_: interested just in something in Fedora or in Infrastructure specifically? 20:28 < _yawns_> Infrastructure seemed to match my interest the most as well as skill set 20:29 < mmcgrath> _yawns_: well make sure you've read through - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 20:29 < _yawns_> I hope you don't mind if I sit in and listen for a while 20:29 < _yawns_> will do 20:29 < mmcgrath> jaxjax: I know you're new here, tell us a bit about yourself and what you were interested in doing. 20:29 < mmcgrath> _yawns_: of course not. 20:29 < nullsys> If I could offer any advice here, it would be to contact any project leaders your interested in helping out with. Also a good setup for your wiki user page would help any questions asked. Good luck with it. 20:30 < _yawns_> Thanks :) 20:30 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has quit "Leaving" 20:30 < jaxjax> Hi I'm interested about virtualization and stor 20:30 < jaxjax> Sorry storage 20:30 < mmcgrath> jaxjax: ah, have you read through the GettingStarted page? 20:30 < jaxjax> But will help with everything you think I can help with 20:31 < jaxjax> Yeah I did 20:31 < jaxjax> Sent my intro last days 20:31 < jaxjax> I think I can help a lot just let me how 20:32 < mmcgrath> jaxjax: excellent, lets meet up after the meeting 20:32 < jaxjax> Sure 20:32 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else to say before I open the floor? 20:33 < mmcgrath> k 20:33 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor 20:33 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor 20:33 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything in particular they'd like to discuss? 20:34 < wzzrd> i saw gregdek has created a cloud sig 20:34 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: he did, I'm on it. 20:34 < Oxf13> "cloud" 20:34 < mmcgrath> :) 20:34 < wzzrd> is that something the Infra team will cooperate in, in any way? 20:34 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: well, that's a complex question. Fedora was actually going to offer some free guests running in the cloud. 20:34 < mmcgrath> but the software to manage that cloud never really got put together. 20:35 < mmcgrath> so it's very much left in a state of limbo at the moment. 20:35 < wzzrd> i guess management software like that gets real complex real quick 20:35 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: espeically when the requirements are completely spelled out. 20:36 < skvidal> mmcgrath: or they are - but they're spelled out mostly in klingon :) 20:36 < mmcgrath> heh 20:36 < mmcgrath> Oh, one thing I wanted to mention 20:36 < mmcgrath> did everyone have a chance to look through - http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/host-lifecycle-policy/ 20:36 < mmcgrath> ? 20:36 < mmcgrath> Nothing too objectionable about it? 20:37 < wzzrd> pretty long read; not completely through it 20:37 < smooge> "cloud" poop 20:37 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: yeah, we also have a security policy that's worth a look. 20:37 < mmcgrath> oh, and the free software policy :) 20:37 < mmcgrath> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/free-software-policy/ 20:38 < mmcgrath> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/security-policy/ 20:38 -!- jaxjax [n=jaxjax@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 20:38 < wzzrd> my eyes are almost square from reading fp.o stuff already :) 20:38 -!- jaxjax [n=jaxjax@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:38 < skvidal> 'eyes are almost square' 20:38 < skvidal> I'll have to remember that one 20:38 < mmcgrath> heh 20:38 < Oxf13> the cloud sig will first focus on getting our EC2 presence up to date 20:38 < wzzrd> is that the wrong way to say it? 20:39 < Oxf13> and moving forward keeping it up to date 20:39 -!- rrix [n=rrix@fedora/PhrkOnLsh] has quit "leaving" 20:39 < Oxf13> after that, not sure what the next goal will be 20:39 < skvidal> wzzrd: I'm sure it's not - I've just never heard it before 20:39 -!- PhrkOnLsh [n=rrix@fedora/PhrkOnLsh] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: yeah, that's a worthy goal at least. 20:39 -!- PhrkOnLsh is now known as rrix 20:39 < wzzrd> skvidal: literally translated from Dutch 20:39 < mmcgrath> Ok, so anyone have anything else to say? if not we'll end the meeting a little early today 20:39 < skvidal> wzzrd: it sounds great 20:40 < mmcgrath> ok then, done :) 20:40 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:40 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule 20:40 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 20:41:31 2010 UTC. 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