20:01 < mmcgrath> .startmeeting Infrastructure 20:01 < mmcgrath> Who's here? 20:01 -!- belegdol [n=belegdol@fedora/belegdol] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 * wzzrd is here 20:01 * nirik hands mmcgrath a # 20:01 * sijis is here 20:01 < PhrkOnLsh> mind if i watch the show? 20:01 -!- a-k [n=akistler@2002:6390:aba9:3:20d:56ff:fe10:bb8d] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 < mmcgrath> PhrkOnLsh: not at all 20:02 < nirik> mmcgrath: you want #startmeeting there, not .startmeeting. ;) 20:02 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting Infrastructure 20:02 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 20:02:37 2010 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:02 < mmcgrath> damnit 20:02 < mmcgrath> Who's here? 20:02 * a-k is 20:02 * wzzrd is here 20:02 * nirik is hanging around in the back 20:02 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 * PhrkOnLsh . 20:02 * skvidal is here 20:03 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:03 < mmcgrath> Looks like no meeting notes so that's good. 20:03 < mmcgrath> I'll go over just a couple of things that happened this week worth mentioning 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Fedora hosted 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora hosted (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:04 < mmcgrath> hosted got it's new memory replaced. 20:04 < mmcgrath> it wasn't as smooth as it could have been but it did get done and within the outage window time. 20:04 < mmcgrath> #topic SPOF for koji and bastion 20:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: SPOF for koji and bastion (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:04 < mmcgrath> koj and bastion are still SPOF right now. 20:04 -!- mdomsch [n=Matt_Dom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:04 < mmcgrath> mostly because we've not re-configured heartbeat. 20:04 < mmcgrath> but I'm also trying to re-think our vpn setup. 20:04 < mmcgrath> to be more robust with outage scenarios. 20:05 < mmcgrath> not allowing outbound udp makes that difficult. 20:05 < mmcgrath> though I suspect specific outound udp requests could be allowed. 20:05 < mmcgrath> #topic /mnt/koji 20:05 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: /mnt/koji (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:05 < dgilmore> im waiting on the try-n-buy to be approved 20:05 * ricky is here for a bit 20:05 < mmcgrath> So this one's kind of happened behind closed doors, not intentional just lots of "do you think this would work?" "how much budget?" etc, etc. 20:06 < mmcgrath> but yeah, dgilmore's been working on trying to get what will be the new /mnt/koji 20:06 < mmcgrath> and I've been working to figure out what will be the new backup of /mnt/koji. 20:06 < mmcgrath> this is all good for several reasons. 20:06 < mmcgrath> 1) it'll allow us to use all of our tapes for *everything* else and do daily, weekly and monthly backups as we should be doing. 20:06 < skvidal> mmcgrath: what's the plan for the storage for the backup? Still tape or are you switching to disks? 20:06 < mmcgrath> 2) /mnt/koji will hopefully be much faster. 20:07 < mmcgrath> skvidal: switching to disks. I'm hoping we'll be able to make snapshots of it for testing. 20:07 < mmcgrath> but dgilmore and I also talked about using bacula to backup to disk. 20:07 < mmcgrath> in the end though I think it will be a better solution because if /mnt/koji does die right now a horrible death. 20:07 < mmcgrath> it'd take a long time to get a new /mnt/koji up 20:07 < mmcgrath> whereas if we have disks to backup to I think the impact would be lessoned. 20:08 < mmcgrath> I do, however, have concerns just because it's so easy to wipe disks. 20:08 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i agree 20:08 < mmcgrath> blowing away the /mnt/koji backup right now is a significantly more difficult task I think. 20:08 < mmcgrath> but at the end of the day I think it'll be worth it to us. 20:09 < mmcgrath> we'll be spending something like 5X what we spent for the /mnt/koji now so hopefully it'll all work out :) 20:09 < mmcgrath> ehh actually that's not quite true, probably closer to 4X 20:09 < mmcgrath> but still. 20:09 < dgilmore> and ive requested extra budget for next yera to grow it and hopefully help it more 20:09 < mmcgrath> here's to hoping it's all fast and usable and safe and backed up :) 20:09 < mmcgrath> anyone else have any questions or concerns on that? 20:10 < mmcgrath> alllrighty 20:10 < mmcgrath> #topic ssh_known_hosts 20:10 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: ssh_known_hosts (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:10 < mmcgrath> smooge: around to talk about this? 20:11 < mmcgrath> the smooge is likely busy :) 20:11 -!- walters [n=walters@nat/redhat/x-dtvgzmjuntdndbxu] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:11 < mmcgrath> After the move our ssh_known_hosts got way out of wack and instead of fixing it, he's been redoing it from scratch 20:11 < mmcgrath> and including more possible names so it should be even more useful then it was. 20:11 < smooge> here 20:11 < smooge> sorry 20:11 < smooge> one sec 20:11 < mmcgrath> smooge: no worries, just wanted a quick blurb about ssh_known_hosts so people know we're working on it. 20:12 < mdomsch> do our shells automatically use it, or do we need to do something in .ssh/config for it? 20:12 < smooge> ok sorry. I have updated ssh_known_hosts to all systems I could find in DNS and 20:12 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: they'd use it automatically but you should remove your .ssh/known_hosts 20:12 < smooge> removed ones that were no longer available 20:12 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: worst case, you'll get a conflict in known_hosts and you can just remove it. 20:12 < mdomsch> ok 20:12 -!- DraZoro1 [n=CT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < smooge> I have tested it on app01.stg and was able to go to hosts inside fedora. I have commited and pushed 20:13 < mmcgrath> but the search order is ~/.known_hosts then /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts 20:13 < smooge> The only things that aren't in it are IPV6 addresses 20:13 < mmcgrath> smooge: excellent, thanks. 20:13 < mmcgrath> smooge: have you updated the SOP to match the new search order? 20:13 < smooge> new search order? 20:13 < smooge> and which SOP 20:13 < dgilmore> thats the default search order 20:13 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/ssh_known_hosts 20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: I think right now we just have short hostname, and actual IP of the host. 20:14 < smooge> ah ok will fix 20:14 < mmcgrath> in the SOP I mean, you expanded on that so it'd be good to get it in the example :) 20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: thanks 20:14 < mmcgrath> Ok, any other questions on that? 20:14 -!- fedbot [n=supybot@xxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:14 < mmcgrath> zodbot: hey look, fedbot's a big quitter. 20:14 < mmcgrath> ok 20:14 < mmcgrath> #topic Search Engine 20:14 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Search Engine (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:14 < mmcgrath> a-k: take it! 20:14 -!- fedbot [n=supybot@xxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:15 < a-k> The two search candidates I wanted to put in public test are Xapian and Nutch 20:16 < a-k> Xapian installed fine and crawled the wiki for 90 minutes, then died 20:16 < a-k> I think it's fixable, so I still have some hope for Xapian 20:16 < mmcgrath> a-k: has the pt instance worked out for you so far? 20:16 < a-k> For Nutch, I've got Tomcat installed, but not configured yet 20:16 < a-k> This is pt3, BTW 20:16 < a-k> I haven't checked if Tomcat's ports are open 20:16 < mmcgrath> If you need more ram or disk let me know, sometimes we're stuck but sometimes not 20:16 < a-k> Yeah, pt is working fine 20:16 < a-k> I intended to reverse proxy Tomcat through Apache, so no need for extra open ports 20:16 < mmcgrath> a-k: I've never used any of them, what are the key differences? 20:17 -!- mchua is now known as mchua_afk 20:17 < a-k> Xapian is pretty flexible and customizable, so the custom keyword requirement should be satisfied, wherever that goes 20:17 < mmcgrath> then died a good death or a bad death? 20:17 < a-k> Nutch is very pre-packaged, so not so flexible 20:17 -!- DraZoro1 [n=CT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:17 -!- belegdol [n=belegdol@fedora/belegdol] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 20:17 < a-k> Xapian didn't like a long URL, plus it may not like non-UTF8 so much 20:18 < mmcgrath> ahhh 20:18 < mmcgrath> interesting 20:18 < a-k> The URL thing I think is fixable with how I do the crawl 20:18 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:18 < a-k> Plus, I still intend to keep looking at other candidates on my list 20:18 < mmcgrath> maybe not the non-UTF8 thing though huh? 20:18 < a-k> So these aren't necessarily the only two choices 20:18 < mmcgrath> sure 20:18 < abadger1999> Both java solutions? 20:18 * mmcgrath is happy to hear progress is being made. 20:19 < dgilmore> a-k: did we look at the one archive.org uses 20:19 < dgilmore> ? 20:19 < a-k> Yeah, UTF-8 could be the thing that kills most of the candidates, if that's going to be a real requirement 20:19 < mmcgrath> a-k: yeah what was the wiki link again? 20:19 < skvidal> why wouldn't utf-8 be a real requirement? 20:19 < a-k> dgilmore: archive.org uses arhiving, not indexing 20:19 < abadger1999> Or xapian is the C++ solution. /me was thinking lucene. 20:19 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I think non-utf-8 is the possible requirement 20:20 < a-k> .link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 20:20 < a-k> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 20:20 < mmcgrath> a-k: thanks 20:20 < dgilmore> a-k: they have a crawler http://crawler.archive.org/ 20:20 < a-k> Xapian is C, with a little Perl 20:20 < a-k> Nutch is Java, hence Tomcat 20:21 < a-k> dgilmore: I can look at archive.org again 20:21 < a-k> I think that's it, unless there are more questions 20:21 < mmcgrath> a-k: just because I know people will ask, can you make sure that those that have been eliminated have a specific "eliminated because: " section? 20:21 -!- dhillon-v10 [n=dhillon-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:22 < a-k> I can do that 20:22 * nirik wonders if any solutions here will tie into the mailman/lists archives? 20:22 < smooge> eliminated because: It kills kittens and makes you eat them 20:22 < nirik> to replace pipermail. 20:22 < smooge> why would a search engine replace pipermail? 20:22 -!- rishi [n=rishi@gnu-india/supporter/debarshi] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:22 < skvidal> smooge: he means a new archiver 20:23 < skvidal> nirik: I don't think any of the others are any more maintained 20:23 < mmcgrath> a-k: if you want additional help feel free to ask on the list and recruit :) This is a pretty massive project. Especially for your first one for Fedora. If you need anything feel free to ask :) 20:23 < a-k> Sure. Thanks. 20:23 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else right now? 20:23 < nirik> sure, personally I think pipermail is ok, but there is a ticket wanting us to replace it with monharc or something. 20:24 * dgilmore is ok with pipermail 20:24 < skvidal> nirik: mhonarc is more trouble than its worth, ime 20:24 < skvidal> mmcgrath: logging? anyone interested in working on it? 20:24 * nirik nods. perhaps 3.0 will come out someday with pipermail improvements. 20:25 < wzzrd> I'm kinda working on it, fwiw 20:25 < skvidal> nirik: perhaps monkeys will fly out of my arse 20:25 < smooge> skvidal, I am interested in doing it 20:25 < wzzrd> the logging that is 20:25 < smooge> I was starting to do it after I finished DNS/NTP 20:25 < mmcgrath> skvidal: sure 20:25 < mmcgrath> #topic logging 20:25 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: logging (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:25 < smooge> wzzrd, what are you doing 20:25 < skvidal> smooge: okay 20:25 < smooge> skvidal, what did you see 20:26 < skvidal> there are a number of things to work on 20:26 < mmcgrath> So logging is a pretty large topic with lots of sub parts 20:26 < skvidal> first - cleaning up the logs we have 20:26 < smooge> skvidal, or would I be too many cooks 20:26 < mmcgrath> lets start on what I gave wzzrd a week or two back. 20:26 < skvidal> okay 20:26 < mmcgrath> which is log analysis. 20:26 < skvidal> which is the wrong place to start 20:26 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: have you had a chance to look at some of the suggestions on th elist? 20:26 < skvidal> until you have logs under control 20:26 < mmcgrath> skvidal: none of which will get done while this meeting is going on :) 20:27 < wzzrd> i've checked out epylog a bit further 20:27 < skvidal> umm - if you don't want to discuss logging, that's fine 20:27 * skvidal is sorry for making the meeting longer 20:27 < mmcgrath> skvidal: keep your pants on we're talking about logging right now, I'm just trying to do so in a way that doesn't discourage wzzrd, a new potential sysadmin member. 20:28 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: any luck with it? 20:28 < wzzrd> but i want to raise the matter of realtime parsing vs. cron-based once-a-day parsing, before i dive into something head over heels 20:28 < mmcgrath> I have very little experience with it but I know skvidal has used it as has Jeff_S and some others. 20:28 < mmcgrath> I don't think we need realtime parsing at this time. 20:28 < skvidal> wzzrd: realtime parsing and analysis are seldom done by the same tool 20:28 < mmcgrath> at least I don't think it would buys us much. 20:29 < wzzrd> epylog is nice, but i think it woulde require the logs from a group of servers going into *one* file on the loghost if you want a single report for that group 20:29 < skvidal> wzzrd: and realtime parsing is handy if there are specific triggers you know to look for - but only useful insofar as they can raise a warning in nagios 20:29 < mmcgrath> but yeah, I haven't heard anyone really argue for realtime so we can just assume non-realtime for the moment :) 20:29 < wzzrd> mmcgrath, skvidal: ok, no real-time 20:29 < wzzrd> just making sure 20:29 < mmcgrath> epylog can't look at multiple files? 20:29 < skvidal> mmcgrath: yes, it can - but it requires editingits configs 20:29 < skvidal> mmcgrath: remember what I was saying on the infrastructure list about mimicing the file structure of /var/log 20:30 < skvidal> mmcgrath: I wasn't making that up :) 20:30 < mmcgrath> skvidal: just edits though? not like some crazy bastadrization? 20:30 < skvidal> mmcgrath: significant edits 20:30 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I still have no idea what you're talking about with that? 20:30 < skvidal> look in /var/log on your laptop/desktop 20:30 < mmcgrath> you mean I should have a /var/log/messages that has all messages from all of our hosts going int o it? 20:30 < skvidal> no 20:30 < mmcgrath> so I should have a /var/log/hosts/bastion/messages? 20:30 < mmcgrath> I know what is in /var/log/ on my laptop 20:30 < skvidal> you understand there are certain files that commonly exist in /var/log 20:30 < skvidal> good 20:30 < mmcgrath> yeah? 20:31 < mmcgrath> like funcd 20:31 < mmcgrath> which won't exist on log1 20:31 < skvidal> and those files are expected to havecontent consistentwith a lot of log parsers 20:31 < wzzrd> skvidal: epylog.conf doesn't allow it afais, and I don't think it comes with a module that allows for the parsing of multiple files 20:31 < skvidal> funcd doesn't log via syslog in that way 20:31 < mmcgrath> isn't that creating just the opposite of what wzzrd is talking about though? 20:31 < skvidal> wzzrd: It really does. 20:31 -!- mether [n=Rahul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:31 < skvidal> mmcgrath: no 20:31 < mmcgrath> you're talking about creating more files and he's needing less 20:31 < skvidal> no 20:31 < skvidal> I'm not 20:31 < skvidal> if y'all would let me explain 20:32 < skvidal> instead of peppering me with remarks 20:32 < skvidal> It might help 20:32 * wzzrd shuts up 20:32 < skvidal> we want logs per-host 20:32 < skvidal> but we also want logs per-by-service/group 20:32 < skvidal> so let's say all of the app servers belong to the appgroup 20:33 < skvidal> we can setup rsyslog so that if a log comes in from app01 (for example) that it gets sent to /var/log/hosts/app01/2010/01/14/ AND to /var/log/groups/app-servers/2010/01/14 20:33 < skvidal> then if we want to do log analysis for the appservers we tell epylog to look at /var/log/groups/app-servers/2010/01/14 20:34 < skvidal> if we want it to do analysis for a specific app server we tell it to look at: /var/log/hosts/app01/2010/01/14/ 20:34 < mmcgrath> epylog doesn't understand /var/log/hosts/app* ? 20:34 < skvidal> inside each of those dirs will be the syslog files normally generated by /var/log 20:35 < skvidal> mmcgrath: not when it is parsing log files - it expects the log files to be in the normal location relative to the base log path 20:35 < mmcgrath> I guess I'm not understanding how what is in my laptop in /var/log isn't what's in /var/log/hosts/app01/2010/01/14 20:35 < skvidal> okay 20:35 < skvidal> let's look at an example 20:36 < skvidal> login to bastion 20:36 < skvidal> cd /var/log 20:36 < skvidal> ls *log 20:36 < skvidal> ls *log 20:36 < skvidal> anaconda.log boot.log ha-log ldirectord.log sa-update.log yum.log 20:36 < skvidal> anaconda.syslog faillog lastlog maillog tallylog 20:37 < skvidal> the files syslog is writing are the only ones we can deal with for a remote logging server 20:37 -!- mbonnet_ [n=nmikeb@nat/redhat/x-mffdfhflbfhsdlsy] has quit "Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.2.0" 20:37 < skvidal> so messages, maillog, spooler, boot.log and cron 20:37 < skvidal> that's all we have access to 20:37 -!- ajax_ [n=ajackson@nat/redhat/x-dufagrlcirofytgc] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < skvidal> now 20:37 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-raflashvigxdpfbm] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < skvidal> if you look on log1 20:37 -!- pjones [n=nnnnnnnn@fedora/pjones] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 20:37 < skvidal> in 20:37 < skvidal> /var/log/hosts/bastion01/2010/01/14 20:37 < skvidal> for example 20:37 -!- halfline_ [n=rstrode@nat/redhat/x-orzrcxfjwbumvjdj] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 -!- ldimaggi___ [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-iylrghkpugcssyrv] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < skvidal> cron.log kernel.log mail.log messages.log secure.log 20:37 < skvidal> you have all of those files 20:37 -!- ajax__ [n=ajackson@nat/redhat/x-ciqdvigcdiekghja] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:38 < skvidal> do you see how those files do not match the filenames and separation that are normally in /var/og? 20:38 -!- mbonnet_ [n=nnmikeb@nat/redhat/x-kjygxqitpvxutbom] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:38 < skvidal> ie mail.log vs maillog 20:38 < skvidal> kernel.log existing AT ALL 20:38 < skvidal> messages.log vs messages 20:38 < smooge> oi 20:38 < mmcgrath> yeah, so you're talking, mostly, about renaming the files? 20:38 < skvidal> that's what I mean by the difference 20:38 < mmcgrath> k 20:38 < skvidal> mmcgrath: and what content goes into them 20:39 < skvidal> ie: kernel.log shouldn 20:39 < skvidal> 't exist at all really 20:39 < skvidal> it's content should be in messages 20:39 < wzzrd> skvidal: crap you were right, i was looking in the wrong place... i didn't quite grasp how epylog's internals worked yet, i suppose... 20:39 < mmcgrath> k, I don't see any problem with that. 20:39 < skvidal> that's what I mean about fixing the structure of our remote logs 20:39 < skvidal> then once we do that 20:39 -!- pjones- [n=pjones@fedora/pjones] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 < skvidal> and we log by 'type of server/service' 20:39 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: k, you want to continue working and learning epylog? 20:40 < skvidal> then we can run generic log tools like epylog and generate lovely results 20:40 -!- halfline [n=rstrode@nat/redhat/x-bhhgxvexpbwoodqd] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:40 < wzzrd> mmcgrath: sure, eager to help out 20:40 < skvidal> w/o having to beat our brains out modifying epylog to access logs we don't want 20:40 < mmcgrath> skvidal: so in theory the amount of logs we store is going to about double. Which do you think we should keep longer? the host level logs or the service level logs? 20:40 -!- pjones- is now known as pjones 20:40 < skvidal> mmcgrath: it's not going to double 20:40 < skvidal> right now we've made the mistake of doing *.* from syslog.conf on our logclients 20:41 < skvidal> instead of trimming the crap out 20:41 < skvidal> no one needs spooler.debug sent remotely 20:41 < mmcgrath> how do you know what to include and what not to? 20:41 < skvidal> years of experience? 20:41 < skvidal> :) 20:41 < skvidal> seriously- you keep warning and above 20:41 < skvidal> and drop a lot of the info and debug crap 20:41 < mmcgrath> skvidal: but still, lets say we only sent what warning and above right this second. 20:41 < skvidal> we can get rid of a lot of crap that's not helpful 20:41 < mmcgrath> when we start storing services too, we're storing all logs twice right? 20:42 < skvidal> <shrug> sure but it's just not that much content 20:42 < mmcgrath> skvidal: so, for example, we wouldn't be sending mail logs? 20:42 < skvidal> I think we should send maillogs 20:42 -!- lmacken_ [n=lmacken@nat/redhat/x-mwvftkmgxvqfjsea] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:42 < skvidal> unless you want to do mailog analysis ON the mailservers 20:42 < skvidal> which seems like a bad use of their cpu time 20:42 < mmcgrath> I've never setup a central logger that didn't store everything, skvidal do you happen to want to take lead on trimming that stuff down? 20:43 < dgilmore> i should just stop getting email and there would be alot less log data 20:43 < mmcgrath> <nod> I'd prefer to keep log analysis on the logger. 20:43 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: that's very true :) 20:43 < skvidal> mmcgrath: sure 20:43 < skvidal> mmcgrath: smooge you wanna work w/me on this? 20:43 < smooge> I am happy to. I love log analysis 20:43 < mmcgrath> skvidal: yup yup. 20:43 < skvidal> smooge: I'm glad I'm not alone :) 20:43 < mmcgrath> so on this same topic... there's still one thing I'd like to get converted. 20:44 < mmcgrath> most of our hosts are still not using rsyslog 20:44 < mmcgrath> I'd like to convert them to rsyslog, some have been but not most. 20:44 < smooge> mmcgrath, on my list of things to fix after ntpd 20:44 * mmcgrath is just mentioning that. 20:44 < skvidal> mmcgrath: for rhel5? 20:44 < mmcgrath> it could be as easy as yum install rsyslgo 20:44 < skvidal> did rhel5 switch to rsyslog? 20:44 < mmcgrath> skvidal: yeah 20:44 < skvidal> okie doke 20:44 < smooge> mmcgrath, skvidal it is basically 5 commands 20:44 < mmcgrath> skvidal: it does for fresh installs, but if you updated, it didn't do a replace. 20:44 < smooge> 1) yum install rsylog 20:44 < mmcgrath> as of 5.3 I think. 20:44 < skvidal> smooge: no problem - I just hadn't heard the switch was official in rhel5 20:45 < smooge> its an alternate 20:45 < smooge> syslogd is still prefered because of age 20:45 < smooge> oh wait.. I missed the new isntall part 20:46 < mmcgrath> smooge: is this something that's going to be possible / easy in puppet or are we goign to have to get func involved? 20:46 < smooge> func migth be easiest 20:46 * mmcgrath thinks perhaps he's been overthinking it. 20:46 < mmcgrath> smooge: what about new installs? 20:46 < mmcgrath> well, we can figure that after the meeting I guess :) 20:46 < smooge> yeah.. 20:47 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: any other questions on your side? 20:47 < mmcgrath> does anyone have any thoughts about exactly what we're looking for in these reports? 20:47 < wzzrd> well, im not sure whether this ok to ask 20:48 < mmcgrath> you can ask whatever you want. If it's for the root password though we probably won't answer. 20:48 < wzzrd> i think it would be easy to have some sort of mentor, 20:48 < wzzrd> you know, to ask some questions to 20:48 < skvidal> mmcgrath: for mail- I'm looking for errors and to make sure we don't have too much overrun/disk/cpu issues, for the rest of systems I'm looking to start getting a baseline on what 'normal' looks like and then fixing up problems 20:48 < skvidal> wzzrd: ask me 20:48 < wzzrd> skvidal: great, thanks! 20:48 < skvidal> I'm around often and I know a fair bit about the epylog code base 20:48 -!- ajax [n=ajackson@nat/redhat/x-doivlmfizynhhosw] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:49 < skvidal> and I know the author of epylog personally and am willing to annoy him 20:49 < wzzrd> skvidal: you seem to be pretty well informed in this logging business :) 20:49 -!- tomspur [n=Tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:49 < wzzrd> lol 20:49 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: yeah for epylog ask skvidal I have no experience with it. If you have questions about fedora or how we're doing something just ask anyone in #fedora-admin, skvidal smooge and I are almost always in there. 20:49 < wzzrd> ok appreciate it 20:49 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-gjpbecmbtnvijmjl] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:49 < dgilmore> wzzrd: skvidal, mmcgrath, myself, ricky, smooge and others will be more than happy to answer questions 20:50 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone hav any other questions on logging? 20:50 < smooge> not me 20:50 < mmcgrath> ok, with that I'll open the floor for anything and everything 20:51 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructuer -- Open FLoor 20:51 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructuer -- Open FLoor (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:51 < mmcgrath> jds2001: you around? 20:51 < mmcgrath> our newest -main member has been pretty quiet. 20:51 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i wore him out on Saturday 20:51 < mmcgrath> hehe 20:51 < mmcgrath> oh! i know one thing. 20:51 < skvidal> dgilmore: umm - that sounds 20:51 < skvidal> umm 20:51 < skvidal> wrong 20:52 < mmcgrath> I'm still in the process of getting our secondary,alt,archive stuff to download.fedora.redhat.com 20:52 < dgilmore> skvidal: sure. 20:52 < skvidal> :) 20:52 < dgilmore> skvidal: i made him work alot on saturday while migrating the lists 20:52 < dgilmore> ;) 20:52 < mmcgrath> After the move we have root squashed for all /pub content (which is good) 20:52 < dgilmore> that better 20:52 < mmcgrath> but now I can't do wnything with my dirs that are there becaues they're root owned. 20:53 < ricky> Heh, yow :-) 20:53 < dgilmore> opps 20:53 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:53 -!- lmacken [n=lmacken@fedora/lmacken] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:53 < mmcgrath> I do still have several concerns. 20:53 < mmcgrath> same as smooge 20:53 < mmcgrath> will the disks be able to keep up? 20:53 < mmcgrath> will the snap-mirror process work correctly with the new load? 20:54 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else? 20:54 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meeting in 30 20:54 -!- ajax_ [n=ajackson@nat/redhat/x-dufagrlcirofytgc] has quit Connection timed out 20:54 < smooge> concerns? I have no concerns.. I have reality 20:54 < smooge> cold clear that it probably wont keep up 20:54 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, I have a feeling we're in for a ride here. 20:54 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-raflashvigxdpfbm] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:55 < mmcgrath> but who knows, we might get surprised :) 20:55 < nirik> mmcgrath: will this change what I have to do to push the nightly live composes? 20:55 < smooge> yeah.. I am buying lotto tickets just in case 20:55 < mmcgrath> nirik: it'll just change were you write to 20:55 < mmcgrath> nirik: hopefully for the better because it'll be all mirrored and stuff 20:56 < nirik> cool. 20:56 < mmcgrath> ok, with that! 20:56 < mmcgrath> #meetingend 20:56 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:56 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule 20:56 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 20:56:53 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 20:56 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-14/fedora-meeting.2010-01-14-20.02.html 20:56 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-14/fedora-meeting.2010-01-14-20.02.txt 20:56 < mmcgrath> damnit 20:56 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-14/fedora-meeting.2010-01-14-20.02.log.html 20:56 < mmcgrath> Thanks for coming everyone!
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