20:02 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 20:02 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 22 20:02:04 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? 20:02 < smooge> here 20:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? 20:02 * a-k is 20:02 * mdomsch ducks 20:03 -!- rdieter [n=rdieter@fedora/rdieter] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:03 < mmcgrath> Well, lets just get started. 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic -- Beta Release 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: -- Beta Release 20:03 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9 20:03 < skvidal> hi 20:04 < mmcgrath> Looks like almost everything was closed 20:04 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1711 20:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1711 (Release day ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1711 20:04 * mmcgrath closes that now. 20:04 -!- mchua_afk is now known as mchua 20:04 < mmcgrath> mchua: you going to be around for a bit? 20:04 * jcollie is here for a few minutes till my plane boards 20:04 < mmcgrath> jcollie: k. 20:04 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1715 20:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1715 (Lessons Learned) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1715 20:04 < mmcgrath> So the beta launch went off without a hitch as far as I know. 20:04 < mmcgrath> Anyone think otherwise? 20:05 < mmcgrath> I guess there was one ppc link missing from the get-prerelease page. 20:05 < mmcgrath> The mirrors were in great shape by the time we sent the email out 20:05 < mdomsch> how early was the bitflip? 20:05 < mmcgrath> 4 hours prior to the release 20:05 < mdomsch> fwiw, the crawler is taking ~4 hours to get through everyone 20:05 < mmcgrath> At the time of release we were at 85% success rate. 20:06 < mmcgrath> I actually never saw any failures while browsing but our test script found some. 20:06 * nb here 20:06 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else on the release? 20:07 < mmcgrath> k 20:07 < mmcgrath> in the interest of jcollie's plane 20:07 < mmcgrath> #topic FAD for fedoratalk starts tomorrow 20:07 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAD for fedoratalk starts tomorrow 20:07 < jcollie> woo baby 20:07 < mmcgrath> jcollie: you have any last minute details you need me to take care of or are we in good shape? 20:08 < jcollie> have the asterisk 1.6.2 rpms been copied to the infra repos? 20:08 < jcollie> they are in my puppet1 home dir 20:08 < mmcgrath> jcollie: doesn't look like it, or if they have they didn't get in the right repos 20:08 < mmcgrath> 1.6.1.6-2 is still on asterisk2. 20:08 * ricky is here 20:08 < mmcgrath> I'll get that right after the meeting. 20:08 < jcollie> that's about it as long as asterisk2 is in good shape i think we're good for tomorrow 20:08 < smooge> there were some errors in puppet after I removed the lock on asterisk2 20:08 < mmcgrath> Cool. 20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah I just disabled it again 20:09 < mmcgrath> I'll get it in shape so there are no errors by tomorrow. 20:09 -!- LunchCzar is now known as PayCzar 20:09 < smooge> i noticed that there was an article on LWN today about a hardware asterisk unit that was 'completely' open 20:10 * mmcgrath saw that too. 20:10 < mmcgrath> +1 to open hardware :) 20:10 < mmcgrath> jcollie: ok, anything else besides that? 20:10 < jcollie> that'd be cool... is the LWN article in the open yet? 20:10 < jcollie> i don't think so 20:10 < mmcgrath> jcollie: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/357809/eb0646c5d4839517/ 20:10 < smooge> you beat me 20:10 < mmcgrath> Ok, so that's really it on the FAD which starts tomorrow! 20:10 < jcollie> hmm i'll have to wait a couple weeks to read it i don't have a sub 20:11 < mmcgrath> #topic Fedora Insight 20:11 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Insight 20:11 < mmcgrath> mchua: ping 20:11 < mmcgrath> ok, I'll assume mchua's out for now 20:12 < mmcgrath> I've got the Fedora Insight staging install and going (at least what I could) 20:12 < nb> I think all of the packages for FI have been reviewd and approved 20:12 * nb just approved xinha a few minutes ago 20:12 < mmcgrath> the only thing missing is the branding stuff. 20:12 < mmcgrath> Which is why it looks like this atm - https://stg.fedoraproject.org/insight/ 20:12 < mmcgrath> shoot, still no J5 :) 20:12 < mmcgrath> that's his ear :) 20:13 < mmcgrath> Eventually it will look like this - http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ 20:13 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < mmcgrath> mizmo: you around by chance? 20:13 < mizmo> mmcgrath: yeppers 20:13 < smooge> cool 20:13 < smooge> to the look 20:13 < mmcgrath> mizmo: oh! actually I may have answered my own question. 20:13 < mizmo> kk 20:13 < nb> nice, i like what it will look like 20:13 < mmcgrath> mizmo: I noticed none of the pictures were sized correctly, then I realized they were stored elsewhere 20:14 < mmcgrath> like MEGA J5 and MONDO lmacken 20:14 < mmcgrath> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fc-photos/IMG_0743.JPG 20:14 < nb> #link https://stg.fedoraproject.org/insight/ - Fedora Insight Staging Instance 20:14 < mizmo> mmcgrath: yep zikula doesn't have any workflow for images that i could find 20:14 < smooge> though the speed of that site is slow... 20:14 < mmcgrath> J5's head is so big I can see what he's thinking. 20:14 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: question -- a value add or will it be frozen for release? 20:14 < nb> #link http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ - PT Fedora Insight Instance 20:14 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I believe won't get frozen. 20:14 < mmcgrath> not in the critical path. 20:14 * jcollie is outta here until I get to chi-town 20:14 < abadger1999> Cool. 20:14 -!- jcollie [n=jcollie@fedora/jcollie] has quit "Ex-Chat" 20:14 < smooge> see you later jc 20:15 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I'll make a note to ensure our docs are all up to date. 20:16 < mmcgrath> Ok, so there's really nothing else on this atm. I need to talk to mchua and make sure everything works out as it should 20:16 < mmcgrath> next 20:16 < mmcgrath> a-k: ping 20:16 < mmcgrath> #topic Search Engine 20:16 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Search Engine 20:16 < mmcgrath> a-k: want to take this one? 20:16 < a-k> Sure 20:17 < a-k> I'll remind everyone that the wiki page for search is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 20:17 < a-k> We've moved the C/C++ engines from "not suitable" to "in progress" but kept the Java ones in the "not suitable" pile. 20:17 < a-k> That's 10 candidates (perl and C) overall. 20:17 < a-k> I've started looking at KinoSearch, which is a perl/C hybrid that keeps indexes in db3 files. huzaifas is still looking a Namazu, which I think is perl only. 20:17 < a-k> At this pace, it'll take us a little over a month to get through them all. 20:17 < mchua> mmcgrath: pong. *reads backlog* 20:18 < mmcgrath> mchua: stick around for a bit if you have time, we'll chat after a-k's done 20:18 * mchua is actually in the middle of FUDCon meeting atm, but will catch up on backlog real quick. 20:18 < lmacken> I've got another engine candidate that a couple of my college buddies wrote, which I will be using for a project of mine: http://code.google.com/p/logstash/ (db4 storage) 20:18 < mmcgrath> a-k: ^^ add it to the list 20:18 < a-k> lmacken: Okay. I'll have a look. 20:18 < lmacken> I'll be deploying it probably this weekend or next week, so I'll let you know how it goes 20:19 < a-k> I think that's all I planned to say. 20:19 < mmcgrath> a-k: what have your thoughts been so far? Pretty confident something is out there for us or will we have to lower our requirements a bit? 20:19 -!- giallu [n=giallu@fedora/giallu] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:19 < lmacken> ruby app.. but JSON interfaces, so I'm happy 20:19 < a-k> I think there should be something we can use. 20:19 < mmcgrath> a-k: k, are you guys going to have your tests publically available or just using workstations and such? 20:19 * mmcgrath is kind of excited about this one 20:20 < a-k> I'm just using my workstation. huzaifas is the same. 20:20 < a-k> When we decide we like something, that's when we would put it on a t machine. 20:20 < mmcgrath> a-k: k, when it gets to that point that you want to show this stuff off (and get size requiremnets) let me know and I'll make sure to get you two some publictest servers to use. 20:20 < mmcgrath> I suspect we might need a special one though. 20:20 < mmcgrath> I honestly have no idea how much actual searchable content we have, nor how much storage it will require 20:21 < mmcgrath> a-k: ok, anything else? 20:21 < a-k> Okay. Mostly we're just trying the candidates out for size now, anyway. 20:21 < a-k> Nothing else, I think. 20:21 < mmcgrath> k 20:21 < mmcgrath> mchua: if you don't want to do double duity with your other meeting totally cool, we'll meet up when you have some more time. 20:22 < mchua> mmcgrath: I'll be out of that meeting in... probably 5, 10 minutes. 20:22 < mchua> It's a short one. 20:22 < mmcgrath> k 20:22 < mmcgrath> #topic PHX1->PHX2 move 20:22 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: PHX1->PHX2 move 20:22 < mmcgrath> So this keeps getting pushed back though now we're looking more solid for mid December. 20:23 < mmcgrath> the weekend after FUDCon actually. 20:23 < mmcgrath> The hardware we have in PHX2 now won't get installed until mid November. 20:23 < mmcgrath> so for now, there's really not much for us to do but plan. 20:23 < mmcgrath> as soon as that hardware gets installed though, I want to get our temporary stuff setup 20:23 < mmcgrath> particularly the databases. 20:24 < mmcgrath> smooge: you have anything else on this? 20:24 < mmcgrath> There were some talks about switching up our primary mirror system. 20:24 < mmcgrath> which we still might do 20:24 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: ping 20:24 < smooge> no I haven't heard anything. I need to get the latest docs to ping releng with 20:24 < mmcgrath> I forgot to mention this. 20:25 < mmcgrath> The master mirror in PHX2 might be brought online soon. 20:25 < smooge> ah 20:25 < mmcgrath> It was supposed to be up back in April or so but plans got switched around. 20:25 < mmcgrath> Now they were going to have us use it as the canonical mirror but I put a no on that until after F-12 ships. 20:25 < smooge> what will that look like to us 20:25 < mmcgrath> until the move, it'll look just like RDU to us 20:25 < mmcgrath> except on regular internet, not i2. 20:25 < mmcgrath> which is good in case our mirror gets overwhelmed during this time. 20:26 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=sal@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:26 < mmcgrath> after the move though, it'll be the actual device we mount on /pub/ 20:26 < mmcgrath> I gave them a cutoff date of November 1st. 20:26 -!- Cheshirc_ [n=sal@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:26 < mmcgrath> If they can't get it done by then, they'll have to wait until after F-12 ships 20:27 < mmcgrath> So that's really all I have on that. 20:27 < mmcgrath> anyone have any questions or concerns? 20:28 < mmcgrath> 'mmm kay 20:28 < mmcgrath> #topic Zabbix 20:28 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Zabbix 20:28 < mmcgrath> smooge: how's the zabbis stuff been going? 20:28 < mmcgrath> err zabbix. 20:28 < smooge> well i created a new rule and am trying to get it to do my other bidding 20:29 < smooge> it likes to say its removing a rule and then show it up again on refresh 20:29 < smooge> or not. 20:29 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:29 < mmcgrath> so one thing I wanted to mention with zabbix... 20:29 < smooge> so I am reading through to figure what I needed to do right 20:29 < smooge> versus what I was doing :) 20:29 < mmcgrath> The dump size for zabbix is almost the size of smolt. 20:29 < mmcgrath> meaning... it's a very large database. 20:29 < smooge> ggruener has set up an excellent tool too 20:29 < smooge> ah 20:29 < mmcgrath> I'm thinking we're going to want to do something about that 20:29 < ricky> It's all InnoDB though :-) 20:29 -!- greenlion [n=greenlio@fedora/greenlion] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:30 < mmcgrath> either not keep data for as long, or not keep as much of it. 20:30 < mmcgrath> ricky: ha, is it? 20:30 < smooge> or run it on a seperate db? 20:30 < mmcgrath> I do see lots of zabbix queries show up in /var/log/mysq/slow_queries.log though 20:30 * ricky wonders how slow restores are, might be good to test on db1.stg if it has the space 20:30 < mmcgrath> smooge: possibly 20:30 < smooge> the question I will need to look is if zabbix is one of those "what mysql is used for other things than me?" tools or not 20:31 < mmcgrath> I think some of the problem are that we're storing minute level data for some stuff that probably doesn't change but once an hour or once every 6 hours. 20:31 < smooge> ah 20:31 < mmcgrath> Just something to look at. 20:31 < mmcgrath> The good news is it doesn't seem to really be causing any problems. 20:31 < mmcgrath> and having those extra checks on the clients doesn't seem to be impacting them. 20:31 -!- horsehorse [n=horsehor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:31 -!- horsehorse is now known as Lilium 20:32 -!- inode0 [n=inode0@fedora/inode0] has quit "Leaving." 20:32 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else on that? 20:32 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass@fedora/cassmodiah] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:32 < mmcgrath> just figured it'd be a good one to check up on 20:32 < ricky> Tiny question about the new puppetlock check 20:32 < ricky> Is it only checking for *empty* lock files? 20:33 < mmcgrath> ricky: I think it's checking age. 20:33 < mmcgrath> if the puppet lock file exists there for 6 hours, we want to know about it 20:33 < ricky> Ah, OK that works 20:33 < smooge> no its supposed to check thtat the file is over X seconds old 20:33 < Lilium> http://i34.tinypic.com/25gton5.jpg any idea why when i choose wlan1 (broadcom .. . . ) after i change the tab or click ok it switches back 20:33 < Lilium> .. 20:33 < smooge> I am not sure it does that 100% yet. 20:33 < Lilium> yea im new in this 20:33 < ricky> Lilium: Hi, try asking in #fedora 20:33 < Lilium> k 20:34 < mmcgrath> ricky: so the thought is, even when a normal puppet run is going and /var/lib/puppet//state/puppetdlock exists. 20:34 < mmcgrath> unless it's been there for 6 hours, we won't get notified about it. 20:34 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 20:34 < mmcgrath> So we don't need to check if it's empty or not 20:34 < ricky> Yeah, I see now 20:34 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has quit "Leaving" 20:34 < mmcgrath> because if puppet has been running for 6 hours... something's broke :) 20:35 < mmcgrath> smooge: ^^ 20:35 < smooge> yes. 20:35 < mmcgrath> Ok, if nothing else on that 20:35 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor 20:35 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor 20:35 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 20:35 < smooge> nothing from me at the moment. 20:36 < nb> oh 20:36 < nb> blogs i think Ac-town is looking at it 20:36 < nb> he took the ticket a few days ago 20:37 < mmcgrath> nb: yeah, what's the poop on that? 20:37 < mmcgrath> we live yet or not? :) 20:37 < nb> we are, but are not 20:37 < mmcgrath> we need to make sure all that stuff is getting backed up and stuff. 20:37 < nb> the ssl is causing issues again 20:37 < nb> i will email Ac-town and try to take a look at it tomorrow 20:37 < mmcgrath> nb: thanks 20:37 * ricky mentions that there's a new wordpress security update out 20:37 < mmcgrath> mchua: all done? 20:37 < skvidal> if anyone has a free cycle or two this might be worth pursuing: http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ticket/57#comment 20:38 < ricky> For a DOS 20:38 < mmcgrath> .whoowns gobby 20:38 < zodbot> mmcgrath: lmacken 20:38 < nb> dnssec is basically done. i'm just getting them all in dlv.isc.org now 20:38 < mmcgrath> skvidal: is that something that we'll just get with the next version? 20:38 < skvidal> mmcgrath: it'll need to get tied into fas, I suspect 20:38 < mmcgrath> I mean, it'll need configuration and stuff. 20:38 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:38 < skvidal> right 20:39 < smooge> nb, thanks on the DNS-sec stuff 20:40 < nb> mmcgrath, i got your email, btw 20:40 < mmcgrath> nb: <nod> 20:41 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? 20:41 < abadger1999> mmcgrath, skvidal: BTW, that will also go into the infinote server, not sobby 20:42 < skvidal> oh - then I misread that 20:42 < mmcgrath> infininote? 20:42 * mmcgrath doesn't even know what that is 20:42 < mchua> mmcgrath: done! 20:42 < skvidal> it's the new gobby server 20:42 * mchua reads backlog for FI stuff 20:42 < skvidal> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/wiki/Infinote 20:42 < skvidal> mmcgrath: sounds like what we need to transition to from sobby 20:42 < abadger1999> skvidal: I mean, the feature needs to beadded to infininote. 20:42 < mmcgrath> mchua: no need I'll catch you up :) 20:42 < mmcgrath> mchua: ok, stg.fedorahosted.org/insight/ <-- 20:42 < abadger1999> skvidal: Not that it's done yet :-( 20:42 < mmcgrath> it's basically up(ish) 20:42 < mchua> all caught up. 20:43 < mmcgrath> can you give it a look over, see whats busted (besides the theme) ? 20:43 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=sal@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:43 < mmcgrath> when are you going to need me to take my next step? 20:43 < skvidal> abadger1999: you're no fun, you know that? :) 20:43 < mchua> Yep, I saw the staging link earlier, it looks great but I haven't tested much yet... *reloadeth* 20:43 < smooge> mmcgrath, the insight servers images were really slow 20:43 -!- Cheshirc__ [n=sal@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:43 < mchua> holy cow it's a REALLY BIG EAR. 20:43 < mchua> ...but at least it stays within its column now. 20:44 < nb> mchua, i just finished the xinha review 20:44 < ricky> smooge: All of the images, or just the giant J5? :-) 20:44 < mmcgrath> smooge: they're from fedorapeople.org and are gigantic pictures :) 20:44 < mchua> mmcgrath: FAS auth appears to be not working 20:44 < mchua> nb: thanks! 20:44 < nb> no problem 20:45 * mchua mentally reviews the remaining "must do for FI" things 20:45 -!- mxcarron [n=maxime@fedora/Pingoomax] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:45 < mmcgrath> mchua: oh! yes. 20:45 < mmcgrath> I never did get that working. 20:45 < mmcgrath> it worked before doing an import of the pt6 db, does not work now. 20:45 < smooge> can't find a big ear 20:46 < mchua> smooge: https://stg.fedoraproject.org/insight/ and scroll halfway down 20:46 < skvidal> nice 20:46 < mmcgrath> mchua: ok, I'll try to get auth working again, are you sure you don't just want to start over? 20:46 < skvidal> such nice hair 20:47 * mmcgrath isn't sure what you have in mind for getting this to prodcution 20:47 < mchua> mmcgrath: starting over is fine by me, whatever is easiest for you. 20:47 -!- lmr_ [n=lmr@nat/redhat/x-fjgqcehxmeumeeuo] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:47 < smooge> ah ok I was looking at http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ which looks completely different 20:47 -!- lmr_ [n=lmr@nat/redhat/x-zlrxgwtkqydagfml] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:47 < mmcgrath> oh, well if it's just the same to you, starting over is much easier :) 20:47 * mchua is going to braindump the "what needs to happen before production" list, and then people can tell me how wrong I am 20:48 < mmcgrath> do you know when the theme will be done? 20:48 < mchua> mmcgrath: Nope. That's something we need to holler out on; since mizmo had to drop back, we don't have anyone dedicated to working on the theme, just various folks picking up on bits and snatches. 20:48 < mmcgrath> k 20:49 < mchua> mmcgrath: Simon said he would have time to sprint on it this weekend, though, so if that's the major thing to wrap up for production, we can ask him to pretty much take care of that 20:49 < mchua> and then I think just packaging will be left, which is easy. 20:49 < mchua> * finish theme 20:49 < mchua> * package theme 20:49 < mmcgrath> yep, those are biggies ;) 20:49 < mchua> * make https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Fedora_Insight_specific_modules a complete and final list with statuses 20:49 < mchua> * push everything on that list through review and into repos (almost done, but it's been at that stage for weeksl) 20:50 < mmcgrath> mchua: sounds good to me 20:50 * mmcgrath has nothing else on this for now 20:50 < mchua> * migrate db 20:50 < mmcgrath> anyone else have anything? 20:50 < mchua> * get FAS to work 20:50 < mchua> mmcgrath: I think that's it; the rest is content. 20:50 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:50 < mmcgrath> Allrighty 20:50 < mmcgrath> if no one has anything else we'll close the meeting in 30 20:50 < nb> mchua, any more reviews to do? 20:51 < mchua> nb: One, I think; I'll ping you in #fedora-devel when this is over. 20:51 < mmcgrath> allrighty :) 20:52 < mmcgrath> mchua: thanks for stopping 20:52 < mmcgrath> by :) 20:52 < mmcgrath> that's it! Closing meeting 20:52 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:52 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:52 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Oct 22 20:52:19 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 20:52 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-22/fedora-meeting.2009-10-22-20.02.html 20:52 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-22/fedora-meeting.2009-10-22-20.02.txt 20:52 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-22/fedora-meeting.2009-10-22-20.02.log.html
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