20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 20:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 1 20:00:14 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00 -!- fenrus02 [n=dj@fedora/fenris02] has quit " " 20:01 -!- skvidal [n=nnnnskvi@fedora/skvidal] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 < ricky> Clearly, nobody noticed because the "m" was lowercased :-) 20:01 < mmcgrath> Who all is here? 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Who is here 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who is here 20:01 * ricky 20:01 * bochecha is around 20:01 < Ccielogs> I am :) 20:01 * a-k is here 20:01 < Ccielogs> #info 20:02 * mdomsch somewhat 20:02 -!- rishi_ [n=rishi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:02 * abadger1999 here 20:02 -!- spoleeba [n=one@fedora/Jef] has quit "Leaving" 20:03 < leemwilliams> thought I'd stop by ;) 20:03 -!- thekadafk [n=thekad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:03 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Change Freeze 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Change Freeze 20:03 < mmcgrath> Just a reminder... 20:03 < mmcgrath> we are change frozen! 20:03 * thekadafk is hanging for a minute before heading out to eat 20:03 < mmcgrath> Check the list for directions on knowing whether or not something can be changed. 20:04 * nirik is sorta kind here in the back. 20:04 < mmcgrath> Any questions on that? 20:04 < mmcgrath> Ok, so next topic 20:04 < mmcgrath> #topic The Beta Release 20:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The Beta Release 20:04 < mmcgrath> Lets get some tickets together. 20:05 -!- amitphukan [n=aphukan@nat/redhat-us/x-vtkthmkjkbriuhww] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:05 < mmcgrath> First ticket is the new website 20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: you on that one as usual? 20:06 < ricky> Yup, and other websites people have been helping a lot more with the release stuff too 20:06 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has quit "Leaving" 20:06 < mmcgrath> ricky: ok, go ahead and accept 20:06 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1709 20:06 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1709 (f12-beta website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1709 20:07 < mmcgrath> Anyone with access already want to get 20:07 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1710 20:07 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1710 (Verify Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1710 20:07 < mmcgrath> Ok, I'll go ahead and take that one. 20:08 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1711 20:08 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1711 (Release day ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1711 20:08 < mmcgrath> that's a release day ticket, just a tracking one. I'll accept that one. 20:08 < mmcgrath> smooge: you around? 20:09 < mmcgrath> k, next ticket is 20:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1712 20:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1712 (verify releng permissions) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1712 20:09 < smooge> I am here 20:09 < mmcgrath> This is to verify we don't accidentally leak permissions 20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge: hey do you want some of these beta tickets? 20:09 < smooge> mmcgrath, sorry I went to get my theraflu 20:09 < mmcgrath> 1710 and 1712 would be good ones. 20:09 -!- thekadafk [n=thekad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit 20:09 < smooge> I will take them 20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge: k, go ahead and accept them. 20:09 < smooge> 09,10,11, and 12? 20:10 < smooge> or just 10 and 12? 20:10 < mmcgrath> just 10 and 12 20:10 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1713 20:10 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1713 (MM Redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1713 20:10 < smooge> thanks.. doing so 20:10 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: you want to get this one? 20:10 < mdomsch> sure 20:11 < mdomsch> though if the release number is 11.9[0123] it's done 20:11 < mmcgrath> :) 20:11 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: k, if it's already done go ahead and close that ticket. 20:11 < mdomsch> done 20:11 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1714 20:11 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1714 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1714 20:11 < mmcgrath> this one is in place already 20:12 -!- rishi [n=rishi@gnu-india/supporter/debarshi] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:12 < mmcgrath> Ok then 20:12 < mmcgrath> here's the page - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9 20:13 < mmcgrath> That look reasonable to everyone? 20:14 < smooge> one sec 20:15 -!- krichard [n=krichard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:15 < smooge> looks good. 20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok 20:15 < mmcgrath> so now the thing that, at present, isn't looking so hot.... 20:15 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/milestone/Fedora%2012 20:15 < mmcgrath> So lets go through these. 20:16 < mmcgrath> mchua: ping 20:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping 20:17 < smooge> wow thats a lot of tickets 20:17 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, especially this late in the game. 20:17 < smooge> I read that as Fedora 2012.. was wondering why we were doing Mayan calender DOOOM 20:17 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ping 20:17 < mmcgrath> ricky: ping 20:18 < ricky> A lot of the websites ones are are tracking that probably shouldn't have been given those milestones 20:18 * mmcgrath wonders where everyoen is. 20:18 < mmcgrath> ricky: 20:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1299 20:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1299 (Getting a Fedora 10 test server up.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1299 20:18 * skvidal is right here 20:18 < skvidal> I'm just ducking out 20:18 < smooge> Fedora 10 server? 20:18 < mmcgrath> ricky: that one's assigned to you, can it be closed? 20:18 < ricky> More specifically it was for a 32 bit one, which I haven't had any success with :-( 20:19 < mmcgrath> k 20:19 < ricky> If you/susmit still want to test that calendar app, then it probably shouldn't be closed yet 20:19 < mmcgrath> will it be done by F12? 20:20 < mmcgrath> ggruener: ping? 20:20 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: ping 20:20 < ricky> I can try building on different machines if necessary, so yes, unless the 32 bit issue I ran into applies *everywhere* 20:20 < mmcgrath> ricky: k, lets try 20:21 -!- sijis [n=sijis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:21 < ricky> I believe ibiblio1 was the only place I tried previously 20:21 < mmcgrath> ricky: do you know anyone that can work on 20:21 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1227 20:21 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1227 (Hosting footer) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1227 20:21 < mmcgrath> ? 20:22 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ping 20:22 < mmcgrath> ianweller: ping 20:22 < mdomsch> the MM hotfixes I'll handle after change freeze 20:22 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: <nod> 20:23 < mdomsch> 1079 (icecast) may change after the Fedora Talk FAD 20:23 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: ping 20:23 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: yeah that one probably will end up at F13 final. 20:23 < mdomsch> most of those others aren't required for F12 20:24 < mmcgrath> Ok, so this is going nowhere fast. I'm going to move on in the meeting and continue this on list 20:24 < mmcgrath> anyone have any issues with that? 20:24 < mdomsch> +1 20:24 < smooge> +1 20:24 < mmcgrath> alllrighty 20:25 < mmcgrath> #topic New Apps Testing "matrix" 20:25 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: New Apps Testing "matrix" 20:25 < mmcgrath> so one thing we've been laxed on is having a good way of testing applications that get deployed. 20:25 < mmcgrath> this is both a technical hurdle and a policy one. 20:25 < mmcgrath> So I've been putting together some scripts with pythoh mechanize. 20:25 < mmcgrath> .tiny http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git/?p=fedora-infrastructure.git;a=tree;f=scripts/site-tests;h=148a785193f868a280d27b61adea7af2bcb61c85;hb=HEAD 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yeocsvz 20:26 < ggruener> mmcrath:pong 20:26 < ggruener> sorry im currently at work 20:26 < mmcgrath> ggruener: hey, I was wondering the status of ticket 1549 but we're going to take it to the list anyway :) 20:26 < mmcgrath> So I've created a small testing script for mirrormanger and FAS. 20:26 * mdomsch bows 20:26 < mmcgrath> my hope is that these will continue to evolve over time and get used every time we do an update, etc, etc. 20:26 < mmcgrath> any time we miss something, it gets added to the script. We won't miss it again. 20:27 < mmcgrath> it's actually not terribly difficult to use. The python code is messy because it's very 'step 1, step 2, step 3' 20:27 < mmcgrath> but it's pretty easy to see what's going on there. 20:27 < mmcgrath> also I'm trying to do a good job of incorperating not just 'does it work or 500' but also including baseline performance data for comparison. 20:28 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions or comments on those? 20:29 < mmcgrath> 'mmm kay 20:29 < mmcgrath> #topic Cumulus! 20:29 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Cumulus! 20:29 < mmcgrath> So the Fedora cloud stuff (code named cumulus) sort of went live(ish) this week. 20:29 < mmcgrath> we've got people 20:29 < mmcgrath> they have guests. 20:29 < mmcgrath> they're using them, and AFAIK, they're still being used. 20:29 < mmcgrath> ianweller: how's your guest been? 20:30 < Jeff_S> mmcgrath: where can I read more about cumulus? 20:31 < mmcgrath> Jeff_S: this is about all we have documented atm - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FedoraCloud 20:31 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:31 < mmcgrath> unfortunately the web interface is just not general public ready at this time. 20:31 < Jeff_S> thanks 20:31 < mmcgrath> still buggy and not really useful without root on the server for troubleshooting. 20:32 < mmcgrath> but still, people have their guests :) 20:32 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on that? 20:32 < mmcgrath> Jeff_S: also the SOP - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Cloud_Infrastructure_SOP 20:33 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 20:33 < mmcgrath> Allrighty 20:33 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor 20:33 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor 20:33 < mmcgrath> I'm opening the floor 20:33 < mmcgrath> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 20:33 < smooge> was thinking of using his cloud for cracking DES passwords 20:33 < mmcgrath> Any new people around that'd like to say hi? 20:33 < smooge> not really 20:33 < smooge> hi to the new people 20:33 < ggruener> mmcgrath: about the ticket 1549 I am still thinking how can I create this test that i avoid to test only cvs 20:33 < abadger1999> Anyone know if we have electionscoming up? 20:33 < leemwilliams> yep, I'm new thought I'd stop by say hello see how things work etc. 20:33 < mmcgrath> ggruener: if it won't be done by F12 please move it to F13 :) 20:33 < Jeff_S> I'm not new, but I don't usually watch these meetings... so, "hi" 20:33 < Ccielogs> well not technical but I would like to say "hi" and eventually introduce myself :) 20:33 < mmcgrath> stickster: do you know? 20:33 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: helo 20:34 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: hello! 20:34 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: I see you've sent your intro 20:34 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: have you sent yours? 20:34 < abadger1999> Grretings new people. The meeting is only part of the fun :-) 20:34 < Ccielogs> yup in the ML as Daniele 20:35 < mdomsch> abadger1999, elections need to be just after Thanksgiving 20:35 < mdomsch> so, yes, but "not quite yet" 20:35 < mdomsch> abadger1999, you want to run them this time? :-) 20:35 < mdomsch> or inode0 ? 20:35 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: ah, welcome! 20:35 < Ccielogs> <mmcgrath> ccielogs is my FAS username and what usually I use in here 20:35 < abadger1999> mdomsch: heh I just want to make sure we close the CSRF ticket by then: 20:35 < leemwilliams> yep, I did see the reply but I'm not so sure on what I want to work on for you guys ;) I do like the dev stuff and that's where my skill set is 20:35 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: sure 20:35 < abadger1999> .ticket 992 20:35 < zodbot> abadger1999: #992 (CSRF) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/992 20:35 < abadger1999> Elections is the only app left to do. 20:36 < smooge> oh open floor item: PHX1 -> PHX2 move 20:36 < mdomsch> smooge, yes please 20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: think it'll be done by F12? 20:36 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: It could be -- the code is written we just have to deploy 20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: <nod> 20:36 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: anything else on that? if not we'll talk about the move. 20:36 < Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks :) I even applied to the sysadmin group and I'll wait for someone giving me a chance to prove useful to the community :) 20:37 < mmcgrath> Ccielogs: I'll approve you now 20:37 < abadger1999> nope, go on to the move. 20:37 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: have you applied / been approved? 20:37 < Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks a lot! 20:37 < leemwilliams> not applied, I'll apply to the dev group most likely. 20:37 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: k, let me know when you do, I'll approve. 20:37 < leemwilliams> mmcgrath, cheers 20:38 < mmcgrath> Ok, the move 20:38 < smooge> ok moving right along footloose and fancy free. 20:38 < mmcgrath> I've not really heard much since last week. 20:38 < mmcgrath> my meeting with Eric this week got cancelled. 20:38 < mmcgrath> I've got some servers on order. not sure when they'll be in yet 20:38 * mmcgrath follows up and asks about that. 20:38 * mdomsch hears smooge's kermit voice 20:39 < smooge> with my cold at the moment.. thats about right 20:39 < mdomsch> (the room is too young to remember the first Muppet Movie) 20:39 < mmcgrath> Also we may be getting 4 additional servers from another group inside RH that doesn't need them anymore. 20:39 -!- rishi__ [n=rishi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit No route to host 20:39 < mmcgrath> not sure about the specs or timeline yet. 20:40 < smooge> our main issues will be dealing with any slippage from current release date. 20:40 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, that would be uber bad. 20:40 < smooge> So please heavily test the beta when it comes out and rawhide 20:40 < smooge> I would rather not be in PHX during Thanksgiving.. but hey 20:40 < mmcgrath> indeed! 20:40 < mdomsch> F12 and opensuse 11.2 are planned the same week 20:40 -!- mizmo [n=duffy@fedora/mizmo] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:40 < mmcgrath> now that we're frozen I'm sure we can all find time to do one test in the QA test matrix. 20:41 < smooge> mmcgrath, pointer please :) 20:41 -!- mcepl [n=mcepl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:41 < sijis> where's that matrix? 20:41 < ggruener> mmcgrath: can you send the URL to the QA test matrix 20:41 < ggruener> i always forget the url:) 20:42 < mmcgrath> This was the F11 QA one 20:42 < mmcgrath> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results 20:42 < mmcgrath> they change quite a bit. 20:42 < mmcgrath> You can see A) how it goes and B) we totally need hands and fingers doing these tests. 20:42 < mmcgrath> jlaska: you around? 20:42 < sijis> mmcgrath: thanks. 20:43 < jlaska> mmcgrath: sure am, what's up? 20:43 < mmcgrath> I'll find out from the QA team what the plan is this time around and send it to the... oh there he is now. 20:43 < mmcgrath> jlaska: hey do you know what the F12 beta version of this is - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results ? 20:43 < mmcgrath> or where it's going to be? 20:43 < jlaska> the official beta release candidate version isn't live yet 20:44 < jlaska> but ... we have the beta test compose page still active ... 20:44 < a-k> There's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_TC_Install_Test_Results 20:44 < jlaska> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_Beta_TC_Install 20:44 < mmcgrath> jlaska: thanks, just prepping some of the Infrastructure people what to expect and where they can find it :) 20:44 < jlaska> we have a beta matrix up ... but won't start the ball on that until the RC hits 20:44 < jlaska> mmcgrath: much appreciated thanks! 20:45 < jlaska> mmcgrath: lili is interested in ways to improve this manual process in the short-term. As always, ideas and suggestions are welcome+encouraged :) 20:45 < mmcgrath> jlaska: <nod> sounds good. 20:45 -!- sharkcz [n=dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ukončuji" 20:45 < mmcgrath> anyone have any other questions? 20:46 < leemwilliams> yep 20:46 < leemwilliams> are there specific test environements or is it best to setup our own shop? 20:46 < mmcgrath> always best to setup your own if you can, but we do have publictest servers available 20:47 -!- thekad [n=thekad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:47 < leemwilliams> would you be happy with a virtualised test env? just getting F11 up to how I need it :) 20:47 < mmcgrath> yep, most of our stuff is virtualized 20:47 < leemwilliams> cool 20:48 < Ccielogs> great 20:48 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else? 20:48 * leemwilliams is a recent windows convert 20:49 < mmcgrath> leemwilliams: welcome :) 20:49 < mmcgrath> If no one has anything else we'll close in 30 20:50 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:50 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:50 < mmcgrath> Thanks for coming everyone! 20:50 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 20:50:18 2009 UTC. 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