19:59 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 19:59 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 10 19:59:28 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:59 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:59 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Meeting start! Who's here? 19:59 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting start! Who's here? 19:59 * mmcgrath is 19:59 -!- Pikachu_2014 [n=Pikachu_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 19:59 * nirik is hanging around 19:59 * skvidal is here 19:59 -!- jpwdsm [n=jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:00 -!- heffer [n=felix@fedora/heffer] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:00 * smooge raises his hand and says "Not Here" 20:00 * heffer is just lurking 20:00 * jpwdsm hangs out in the back 20:00 < mmcgrath> smooge: I think that logic just took some iq points from me. 20:00 * Oxf13 20:00 -!- akistler [n=akistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:01 * mdomsch here 20:01 < mmcgrath> Oh, and there's no meeting tickets. 20:01 < mmcgrath> that's easy 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- IPv6 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- IPv6 20:01 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: want to take it quick on this one? Mostly just about what problem we saw and what we did about it. 20:02 < mdomsch> 2 classes of problem 20:02 < mdomsch> 1 we can fix 20:02 < mdomsch> so we did. we lowered the MTU for IPv6 packets, from 1500 to 1280 20:02 < mmcgrath> We do have one confirmed report that that seems to have fixed his/her problem 20:02 < mdomsch> apparently some packets were considered "too large" for some routers between our customers and us 20:02 < mdomsch> s/customers/users/ 20:03 < mdomsch> hopefully that'll help 20:03 < mdomsch> problem 2: other routers dropping packets for unknown reasons 20:03 < mdomsch> 0xf13 may have been bit by this 20:03 < mdomsch> last I knew, this was progressing between Sprint and Indiana gigapop NOCs, or at least bouncing between them 20:03 < mmcgrath> well, in Oxf13's case his router was sending IPv6 info even though his router wasn't configured to use it. 20:04 < smooge> I have seen this for 'security reasons'. Various IPS sometimes think IPV6 is a security problem and will drop/degrade service 20:04 < mdomsch> if someone pops into #fedora-admin with questions, please try to help 20:04 -!- drago01 [n=linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:04 < mdomsch> moving on from problems 20:04 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:04 < mdomsch> I'd like to get opentorrent built for el5 20:05 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: is it in Fedora already? 20:05 < mdomsch> it depends on libowfat which I branched for EL-5 but haven't finished the work of de-dietlibc-ing it 20:05 < mmcgrath> ah 20:05 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, and no, opentorrent is not in Fedora yet 20:05 < mmcgrath> k 20:05 < mmcgrath> that'll be another nice ipv6 service though 20:05 < mdomsch> that's the only other service we offer at ibiblio that we could serve on v6 20:06 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:06 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: emails are still bouncing around about our glue 20:06 < mdomsch> everything else (cvs, git, ...) are in non-v6-capable data centers 20:06 < mmcgrath> but it'll happen eventually 20:06 < mdomsch> oh, and MM is ready to go 20:06 < mmcgrath> sweet 20:06 < mmcgrath> did we re-enable mirrors.fp.o for ipv6? 20:06 < smooge> mdomsch, I wonder if we could do a app6to4 proxy 20:06 < Oxf13> fwiw, I replaced my router's firmware with dd-wrt, so I shouldn't have this issue anymore 20:06 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, no we haven't yet 20:06 -!- djf_jeff [n=jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "I quit" 20:07 < mdomsch> I need dgilmore to push the package to epel-testing :-) 20:07 -!- tibbs_ [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 20:07 -!- drago01 [n=linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:07 < mmcgrath> ah, of course :) 20:07 < mdomsch> smooge, we could, but it might be slow... 20:07 < mmcgrath> <nod> I worry about the performance people would see if we start running our own proxies. 20:07 < mmcgrath> but if people care enough about it we can look closer and see exactly what we're talking about 20:07 < mmcgrath> anywho 20:08 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: anything else on ipv6? 20:08 < mdomsch> that's all 20:08 < mmcgrath> sweet. 20:09 < mmcgrath> #topic Change Freeze 20:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Change Freeze 20:09 < dgilmore> mdomsch: ill do it now 20:09 < mmcgrath> The change freeze will start for the beta on the 29th 20:09 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: what are our odds of a slip? 20:10 < notting> ask after the blocker meeting tomorrow? 20:10 < skvidal> mmcgrath: statistically? :) 20:10 < Oxf13> mmcgrath: hard to say right now. 20:10 < mdomsch> skvidal, the last 2 full release cycles are outliers, and can be discareded 20:10 < mmcgrath> notting: will do 20:10 < skvidal> mdomsch: really? :) 20:11 * mmcgrath is just reminding everyone that a slip would be really really really bad 20:11 -!- mchua_ [n=mchua@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:11 < mmcgrath> at least for Infrastructure 20:11 < mmcgrath> OK, moving on 20:11 < notting> mmcgrath: my 'finger in the air' estimate is that non-anaconda bits are in ok shape 20:11 < smooge> a slip means no Canada for smooge 20:11 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- qpidd 20:11 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- qpidd 20:12 < mmcgrath> J5: pnig 20:12 < mmcgrath> err ping even 20:12 < mmcgrath> .any lmacken 20:12 < skvidal> 2009-11-10 <-- and if we slip much we hit US thanksgiving 20:12 < zodbot> mmcgrath: lmacken was last seen in #fedora-meeting 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: *** lmacken has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:12 < J5> mmcgrath: pong 20:12 < mmcgrath> J5: any progress on the messaging stuff? 20:12 -!- lmacken [n=lmacken@fedora/lmacken] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:12 < mmcgrath> lmacken: hey, just checking to see if there's any progress from you guys on the messaging stuff 20:13 < J5> mmcgrath: I ran into decoding structs issues which I am working on but I have python sending messaqes to js. I just need ot get them decoded 20:13 < lmacken> hey, so yeah, I haven't deployed any Moksha/Fedora Community stuff to staging yet 20:13 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:13 < mmcgrath> if there's nothing else we'll move on to the next topic 20:14 -!- Fedora-Angel [n=Angel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok 20:16 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Fedora insight 20:16 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Fedora insight 20:16 < mmcgrath> boo, just missed mchua 20:16 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: do you know anything about this? 20:16 < mmcgrath> last I checked fas auth was still not working 20:16 < mmcgrath> mizmo: you know anything? 20:16 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Nope, haven't been followed the day-to-day, just the getting new features ready for the platform. 20:17 < mmcgrath> k, I'll follow up with mchua on that then. 20:17 < mmcgrath> zikula and qpid are the two major pushes I'm trying to get out. 20:17 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Smolt 20:17 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Smolt 20:17 -!- Fedora-Angel [n=Angel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:17 < mmcgrath> So I've spent much of my week working on smolt. 20:17 < mmcgrath> specifically database queries. 20:17 < mizmo> mmcgrath: a little bit 20:17 < mmcgrath> I've got the render-stats script in much better shape 20:18 < mmcgrath> mizmo: do you know what the status of the fas auth stuff on pt6 is? 20:18 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:18 < mizmo> mmcgrath: i dont :( im just working on the css 20:18 < mmcgrath> K, no worries. 20:18 < mmcgrath> mizmo: thanks. 20:19 < mmcgrath> So on the smolt stuff, I've got a couple more changes to make and one final query (that happens to get run multiple times) to get figured out. 20:19 < mmcgrath> I'm hopeful that most of our smolt issues will go away after this 20:19 < lmacken> I hit some smolt wikifail the other day when trying to add a new page for some hardware 20:19 < smooge> just in time for a new code release 20:19 < mmcgrath> lmacken: how 'the other day' was it? 20:19 < lmacken> it ate my changes, so I got frustrated and gave up :) 20:19 < lmacken> mmcgrath: last night I think 20:20 < mmcgrath> couple of weeks back? 20:20 < mmcgrath> oh just last night 20:20 < mmcgrath> lmacken: I'll take a look. 20:20 < mmcgrath> K, anyone have any questions / concerns on that? 20:20 -!- inode0 [n=inode0@fedora/inode0] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:21 < mmcgrath> k 20:21 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- 1667' 20:21 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- 1667' 20:21 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: was this you? 20:21 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667 20:21 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667 20:21 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667 20:21 < mmcgrath> sorry :) 20:21 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: didn't we talk to that guy already? 20:21 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: I'm on it as much as anyone is. 20:22 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: It needs to go through fedora-docs before it gets handled by us. 20:22 < mmcgrath> I'm just wanting to verify that is something we need to do, that's not something the bugzilla admins do? 20:22 < mmcgrath> quaid: ping 20:22 < mmcgrath> stickster: ping 20:22 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: That part.... I think we may need both Fedora nad bz admin help. 20:22 < abadger1999> But I don't even know if we're actually going to be renaming yet. 20:22 < abadger1999> So I'm waiting on more docs input. 20:23 < mmcgrath> he seems very insistant on it at this point, even sent an email to admin@xxxx 20:23 < abadger1999> huh. Since yesterday? 20:23 < mmcgrath> yeah, just a few minutes ago 20:23 * abadger1999 reads mail 20:23 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: we did communicate that to him yesterday right? 20:23 < stickster> mmcgrath: pong 20:23 < mmcgrath> stickster: who's in charge of docs these days/ 20:24 < stickster> mmcgrath: Eric Christensen (Sparks) 20:24 < stickster> .fasinfo sparks 20:24 < mmcgrath> Sparks: ping 20:24 < zodbot> stickster: User: sparks, Name: Eric Christensen, email: eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Creation: 2007-07-17, IRC Nick: sparks, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5102043, GPG key ID: BD0C14C1, Status: active 20:24 < zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs cvsfedora packager docs ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test svnsecurityguide gitabout-fedora githomepage gitreadme gitreadme-live-image gitreadme-burning-isos gitfedora-wiki cmsadmin gitfedora-cms gitrpmguide svnaccessibility-guide gitamateur-radio-guide 20:24 < zodbot> stickster: Unapproved Groups: None 20:24 * stickster always forgets how... thorough zodbot is. 20:24 < mmcgrath> ohh, a couple more and he'll be in the .more club with me :) 20:24 < stickster> heh 20:25 < mmcgrath> ok, I'll email Eric and see if he's ok with this 20:25 < abadger1999> Hmmm...... 20:25 < mmcgrath> stickster: we're talking about - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667 20:25 < abadger1999> Is dhensley == perspectival? 20:25 < mmcgrath> which seems to have come from nowhere but impacts the docs team? 20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dhensley 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User "dhensley" doesn't exist 20:25 < mmcgrath> .fas dhensley 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: dsilas '' <dhensley@xxxxxxxxxx> 20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dsillas 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User "dsillas" doesn't exist 20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dsilas 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User: dsilas, Name: None, email: dhensley@xxxxxxxxxx, Creation: 2009-05-15, IRC Nick: silas, Timezone: None, Locale: None, Extension: 5130286, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora svndeployment-guide svnsecurityguide 20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Unapproved Groups: None 20:25 < mmcgrath> boo, privacy flag. 20:26 < abadger1999> yep. 20:26 < stickster> mmcgrath: I'm not sure I understand what's going on there -- 20:26 < stickster> mmcgrath: but 20:26 < abadger1999> Well, I'll email dhensley and ask if he's perspectival. 20:26 * mmcgrath pings in #fedora-docs 20:26 < abadger1999> And if not catch him up on the need to go through docs and then explain what's going on. 20:26 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ok, thanks. 20:26 < stickster> It could be the way that Publican produces docs creates a certain package name, and they're looking for a component in BZ to represent the package 20:27 < Oxf13> they get that automatically when the package is brought into Fedora 20:27 < Oxf13> the /source/ package that is 20:27 < stickster> Oxf13: Right, maybe that's not fully understood? 20:27 -!- perspectival [n=perspect@nat/redhat/x-vdmeuktvoqccbdwz] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:27 < perspectival> hello 20:27 < mmcgrath> perspectival: are you dhensley? 20:27 < stickster> perspectival: We meet again! :-D 20:27 < perspectival> yes 20:27 < mmcgrath> we're talking about 20:27 < perspectival> I assume we're discussing the component/product change 20:27 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667 20:27 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667 20:28 < perspectival> right 20:28 < mmcgrath> yeah, no one in docs seems to know about it? 20:28 < mmcgrath> well, no one we've talked to (which isn't many yet) 20:28 < stickster> From yesterday, I thought that Sparks did know about this? 20:28 * stickster didn't see how the conversation ended 20:29 < perspectival> this name change was initially referenced on an internal email, and then Mike Hideo requested, in an email to me, that (verbatim): 20:29 < perspectival> "Can we change the component name to: 20:29 < perspectival> doc-Deployment_Guide for Fedora? " 20:29 < mmcgrath> perspectival: was Sparks ok with that? 20:29 < abadger1999> perspectival: Note, you're wanting to both change the name and change the product it's under. 20:29 < perspectival> I spoke to Sparks initially about this (2 days ago), and stickster was confusedly brought into it yesterday 20:29 < perspectival> yes 20:29 < perspectival> abadger1999: true 20:30 < quaid> mmcgrath: pong 20:30 < stickster> perspectival: It's OK, I'm used to being confused as quaid will tell you :-) 20:30 < perspectival> I have not spoken to Sparks about this again (he was away yesterday I believe) 20:30 < dgilmore> perspectival: if its in fedora it needs to go through a package review 20:30 < quaid> can haz fedora-docs-list plz 20:30 < abadger1999> dgilmore: It's not yet a package -- which is part of why I'm wondering why we want to moce it from the Fedora Documentation product to the Fedora product. 20:30 < mmcgrath> quaid: talking about 20:31 < mmcgrath> t.ticket 1667 20:31 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667 20:31 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667 20:31 < dgilmore> abadger1999: then it does not belong under fedora 20:31 < perspectival> I am not sure, and I'm sort of new to the Fedora documentation procedures, so I'll relay that to Mike and make sure my information is correct 20:31 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:31 < quaid> mmcgrath: what I mean is ... 20:32 < quaid> asking Sparks on IRC is not the way to resolve the question of, "What does Docs intend here?" 20:32 < abadger1999> perspectival: <nod> In terms of moving forward, the important thing is for us to understand what fedora-docs wants out of this. 20:32 < mmcgrath> quaid: <nod> 20:32 < abadger1999> quaid: +1 20:32 < perspectival> ok 20:32 < mmcgrath> perspectival: can you email this ticket to the fedora-docs-list so everyone knows whats up? 20:32 < quaid> if mhideo doesn't want to join fedora-docs-list to discuss, by all means proxy for the reasoning. 20:32 < mmcgrath> there's two parts to this, one of them is getting sparks and team all aware and stuff, the other one is technical 20:32 < mmcgrath> which we're still not sure of 100% 20:33 < quaid> I have insight for #2 20:33 < quaid> i) create new bugzilla component (package needed) 20:33 -!- foolish [n=foolish@fedora/foolish] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:33 < quaid> ii) remove the item from owners.list & probably confirm that it's gone with note to BZ team 20:33 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:33 < quaid> >2 folks have the edit for owners.list, so no blockage there likely :) 20:34 < abadger1999> iii) bugzilla team shifts open bug reports to the new bugzilla component 20:34 < mmcgrath> perspectival: you know what steps to take next? 20:34 -!- drago01 [n=linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:34 < quaid> abadger1999: yep, thx, that one too :) 20:34 < perspectival> I'm about to email fedora-docs list and CC mike 20:34 * quaid did all this recently, fwiw, so it does work 20:34 < stickster> quaid: good to know, excellent 20:34 < mmcgrath> perspectival: excellent 20:35 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else for now? 20:35 < quaid> perspectival: sorry for any confusion; the Fedora deal is basically, work on it with the edge-focused team, they usually have people/processes in place to carry it onward 20:35 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else on this? 20:35 < quaid> where carry == tell you who to contact next, what to do, etc. to enable individuals to achieve their own goals. 20:36 * quaid done now 20:36 < mmcgrath> Ok, moving on :) 20:36 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- The PHX move 20:36 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- The PHX move 20:36 < skvidal> why did I read that as the THX movie 20:36 < mmcgrath> smooge: did you get the meeting invite for Friday? 20:37 < smooge> I did 20:37 < smooge> I am trying to figure out when it is exaxctly as evolution has it down for 1800 20:37 < smooge> which would be rather late for people on the east coast 20:37 < mmcgrath> :) 20:38 < mmcgrath> smooge: well there's wiki pages for us to fill out as well 20:38 < mmcgrath> smooge: so lets get some of the stuff we've discussed moved over 20:38 < smooge> oh boy 20:38 < smooge> I want 10GB to each system and a pony 20:39 < mdomsch> and ipv6 20:39 < mmcgrath> hahah 20:39 < abadger1999> smooge: Better get stable boys too, a pony for each system will produce a lot of... ammonia 20:39 < mmcgrath> smooge: lets get the server count and amp count at least put up there. 20:39 < smooge> ah yeah.. 20:39 -!- krichard [n=krichard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i want a rack full of sparc boxes :) 20:40 < smooge> mdomsch, could I ask a favor. I need an amp count for powervault and pe2950. I found max but not 'average'. 20:40 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else on that? 20:41 < mmcgrath> ok :) 20:41 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:41 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:41 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 20:41 < smooge> reboot of bastion tomorrow 20:41 < smooge> it should be a couple of file changes and a reboot.. 20:42 < smooge> upgrade/reboot of xen13 next week 20:42 < ricky> Ugh, I completely forgot, sorry 20:42 < mmcgrath> smooge: oh yes, excellent 20:42 < smooge> that will also cause some reboots 20:42 < smooge> actually I was thinking of combining them 20:42 < smooge> since bastion1 will need to be rebooted twice :) 20:42 < mmcgrath> I think both will be 0 impact, we'll see :) 20:42 < dgilmore> i did all the builders over the weekend 20:43 < dgilmore> except xenbuilder4 20:43 < ricky> xen13 already has reboots often enough but thankfully we're setup so that we don't notice them outside 20:43 < smooge> dgilmore, other than logwatch.. did you notice anything? 20:44 < dgilmore> smooge: nope 20:44 < dgilmore> it was very smooth 20:44 < dgilmore> i did have to exclude net-snmp* 20:44 < smooge> ? 20:44 < dgilmore> but thats due to needing to rebuild it to work in the builder environment 20:45 < dgilmore> smooge: it links to rpm 20:45 < dgilmore> but we bumped rpm 20:45 < smooge> ah so it should not affect other boxes 20:45 < dgilmore> nope 20:45 < smooge> or did everything get the newer rpm 20:45 * Fedora-Angel is away: I'm busy 20:45 < smooge> slow typing makes smooge a poor psort 20:45 < dgilmore> smooge: just builders releng boxes have a different rpm 20:46 < smooge> dgilmore, thanks 20:46 < mmcgrath> k, anyone have anything else? 20:46 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meetings in 30 20:47 < mmcgrath> ok 20:47 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:47 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:47 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Sep 10 20:47:28 2009 UTC. 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