20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 20:00 < fedbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 25 20:00:20 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. 20:00 < fedbot> Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot , Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? 20:00 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? 20:00 * ricky 20:00 * nirik is in the cheap seats in the back 20:00 < cralin> Alin Crețu is here (finally) 20:00 * Sparks is here to see all the goings on 20:00 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 * onekopaka is here for who knows what reason 20:01 * sijis is here. 20:01 < ianweller> hellloooooooo 20:01 * ke4qqq is here 20:02 -!- mcepl [n=mcepl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:02 < mmcgrath> k, lets get started then 20:02 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Meeting Tickets 20:02 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting Tickets 20:02 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 20:02 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y 20:02 < mmcgrath> So really the only ticket we have on the list is 20:02 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1464 20:02 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1464 (Puppet Web Apps Refactoring) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464 20:02 < smooge> here 20:02 < mmcgrath> This is goign to happen today if it's not already happening like right now :)' 20:02 -!- denise [n=ddumas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:02 < mmcgrath> ricky: you want to take it? 20:03 < ricky> Sure. 20:03 < ricky> Sorry for the late notice, but if you have anything in your home directories on those machines, it'd be a good idea to back them up now 20:03 < ricky> They're in other backups, but those are kind of painful to get to. 20:03 < ricky> I just sent an email to list with the rough order that we're planning to do things in. 20:03 < mmcgrath> ricky: do we just want to... disable to cron job for a while? :) 20:04 < ricky> There will probably be a lot of puppet spam around the merge because the fas module changed, which touches more than just the apps/proxies/fas machines 20:04 * hiemanshu is here now 20:04 < ricky> mmcgrath: Yeah, I'm currently disabling puppet on the proxy/app/fas machines 20:05 < ricky> Anyway, I hope this goes well, and look for another email to f-i-l about the exact nature of the puppet changes once the dust clears a bit 20:05 < mmcgrath> coolz 20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: and whats our plan for config clean up on the actual nodes? 20:05 < mmcgrath> IE stuff that shouldn't exist there anymore? 20:05 * hiemanshu wonders what the topic is 20:05 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: 20:05 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1464 20:05 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1464 (Puppet Web Apps Refactoring) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464 20:06 < ricky> I'm hoping the rebuild most of them, which shouldn't take all that long 20:06 < mmcgrath> ricky: k. 20:06 < ricky> It's the only way to make sure that the new configs aren't relying on old stuff :-/ 20:06 * SmootherFrOgZ is around 20:06 < mmcgrath> yeah, and rebuilding doesn't harm anything :) 20:07 < hiemanshu> ricky, rebuild from scratch? 20:07 < mmcgrath> ricky: did transifex get all setup in staging and is working properly? 20:07 < ricky> Yup, https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/ 20:07 < ricky> Oh yeah. If I forgot a service, *now* would be a good time to tell me :-) 20:07 < hiemanshu> blogs.fp.o? 20:08 < smooge> did you get the controls for the orbital laser? 20:08 < ricky> we haven't deployed that yet, so that won't be included 20:08 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: doesn't exist yet so it won't be included in this. 20:08 < ricky> smooge: drat! 20:08 < smooge> just saying.. it takes a long time to get back online 20:08 < mmcgrath> ricky: lets keep the old images around for a bit just in case. 20:08 < smooge> seriously though cool. 20:08 < mmcgrath> at least bapp1, and app1 and app2. 20:09 < ricky> mmcgrath: Will do, I can just rename the LV, rght? 20:09 < ricky> **right 20:09 < onekopaka> we have an orbital laser? 20:09 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, and if any are on the xenGuests vg, make sure to pvscan and vgscan it. 20:09 < ricky> onekopaka: Why else would we ask for latitude and logitude in FAS? >:-) 20:09 * mmcgrath doesn't think any of those are 20:09 < ricky> Will do 20:09 < mmcgrath> ricky: ok, anything else on that subject? 20:10 < ricky> Nope, thanks 20:10 -!- tmz [n=tmz@fedora/tmz] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:10 < mmcgrath> coolz 20:10 < onekopaka> ricky: are you planning to hit me with said orbital laser? 20:10 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- cvs2 20:10 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- cvs2 20:10 < mmcgrath> so I'm still getting the new cvs server up and running. 20:10 < mmcgrath> it should, in theory, not require that much downtime. Just another cvs resync. 20:10 < smooge> onekopaka no its for beaming people to our secret moon base 20:10 * onekopaka dislikes CVS 20:11 < hiemanshu> I think subversion is better 20:11 < mmcgrath> But the newer box should have significnatly lower commit times, branch times, etc, etc. 20:11 * onekopaka agrees with hiemanshu 20:11 < mmcgrath> no one likes cvs 20:11 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, svn? 20:11 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: it's another version control system. 20:11 < hiemanshu> whats wrong with that, and i find svn easier to use than cvs 20:11 -!- constanton [n=constant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:11 * nirik notes that changing from CVS is not simple and easy. Someone needs to do a lot of work to get it done. 20:11 < smooge> hiemanshu, its a big project to deal with.. 20:12 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: I think most people woudl prefer git. Keep in mind that the problem is getting from point A to point B. 20:12 < onekopaka> yep 20:12 * mmcgrath has decided to stay out of that conversation though. 20:12 < hiemanshu> hmmmm 20:12 < onekopaka> git is ideal 20:12 < ianweller> I LIKE MINE BETTER 20:12 < ianweller> (i don't think this is the time for this conversation) 20:12 < smooge> hiemanshu, and its been a task of where someone would need to work on making 20 GB or so transfer 20:12 < mmcgrath> I'll happily support anyone with the time, tenacity and courage to stand up to what it'd take to do a conversion though :) 20:12 < mmcgrath> Anywho. 20:12 < mmcgrath> Lookside is done. 20:12 < mmcgrath> cvs2 is mostly there. 20:12 < ianweller> yay 20:13 < smooge> mmcgrath, what is the difference between cvs2 and cvs1? 20:13 < onekopaka> ianweller: you like cvs, don't you? 20:13 < mmcgrath> I'll probably wait for the ok from Toshio though to make sure the pkgdb bits still work as I'd hope. 20:13 < mmcgrath> smooge: hopefully nothing. Part of the conversion is to rename cvs2 to cvs1 and disable cvs1. 20:13 < mmcgrath> cvs is still, at present, not HA. 20:13 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i dont like cvs much, i prefer git though 20:13 < mmcgrath> though we so rarely have downtime with it. 20:13 * smooge wishes people would just stick to SCCS like K&R wanted. 20:13 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: noted. 20:13 < hiemanshu> I always found cvs harder for _NEW_ people to join in 20:13 < smooge> mmcgrath, and then make a failover cvs2 that would be a backup 20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, but probably not that live of a backup. 20:14 < mmcgrath> since we're the only major distribution that doesn't support drbd. 20:14 < smooge> mmcgrath, sort of like the releng1 we went over 20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah. 20:14 * smooge read that as Dr Bad 20:14 < mmcgrath> but the HA/cluster stuff is for another time. 20:14 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, takes things in a way of a new person as well 20:14 < mmcgrath> the main purpose of this conversion is to get cvs _off_ of the /mnt/koji powervault. 20:15 < cralin> mmcgrath: I'm interested in HA cluster when the time comes 20:15 < mmcgrath> cralin: k. 20:15 < mmcgrath> So anyone have any questions about how that's going to go down? 20:15 < mmcgrath> as long as stuff has been kept in puppet it should go fairly well 20:15 < smooge> yes. and then someone can look at a summer project of inventing bikeshedding revision control system 20:16 < mmcgrath> smooge: :) 20:16 < skvidal> mmcgrath: I thought the point of the HA stuff is that it doesn't go down! 20:16 < smooge> mmcgrath, no questions on that 20:16 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, no questions 20:16 * skvidal is full of zing 20:16 < mmcgrath> we've tried a couple of times to change to a different scm, so far no success though. 20:16 < mmcgrath> skvidal: yeah but we don't have HA :) 20:16 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:16 < smooge> skvidal, timing was a bit off. need to add some invective next time 20:16 < mmcgrath> heh 20:17 -!- jonmasters [n=jcm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net"; 20:17 < mmcgrath> Ok, next topic 20:17 < skvidal> :) 20:17 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- blogs.fedoraproject.org 20:17 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- blogs.fedoraproject.org 20:17 < mmcgrath> nb|away: you around? 20:17 * smooge is happy to be able to help here 20:17 < ricky> Oh, he said he couldn't make it 20:17 * onekopaka will step in at this point 20:17 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, nb is not here, he is at work 20:17 < smooge> what is blogs vs planet 20:17 < mmcgrath> ricky: k. 20:17 < ricky> But he wanted me to give little update 20:17 < ricky> **give a little 20:17 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i ll be in his place though 20:17 < ricky> onekopaka: feel free if you want to give it 20:17 < mmcgrath> smooge: blogs is a hosting provider, planet is a public rss aggregator 20:17 < smooge> oooooh 20:17 < onekopaka> smooge: blogs.fp.o is a full wordpress mu install 20:17 < mmcgrath> whats the latest on all that? 20:18 < onekopaka> it is almost ready to go 20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, we have a things in mind though 20:18 < onekopaka> nb is waiting on review on some packages 20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, do we need fas integration? 20:18 < mmcgrath> "things in mind" ? such as. 20:18 < mmcgrath> yeah, fas integration is a requisite 20:18 -!- jonmasters [n=jcm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, nb was a little reluctant about that 20:19 < hiemanshu> he said it would not be necessary but a @fp.o email id to sign up 20:19 < Sparks> fas integration == OpenID support ? 20:19 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: we decided that FAS integration wouldn't be something to blog release on 20:19 < hiemanshu> is required 20:19 < hiemanshu> Sparks, nope 20:19 < onekopaka> Sparks: OpenID on the FAS side is flakey 20:19 < Sparks> ok 20:19 < ricky> I'd prefer to go the OpenID way, but that's not going to be ready for a while. 20:19 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, what the need for FAS integration here? 20:19 < mmcgrath> that's not to say that we couldn't fix OpenID as part of that. 20:20 < ricky> FAS integration for things like comments is not easy though. 20:20 < hiemanshu> ricky, OpenID with WP is easy 20:20 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: it's just a requirement for all of our new apps. 20:20 < onekopaka> well 20:20 < onekopaka> for commenting 20:20 < onekopaka> FAS integration would be simple 20:20 < ricky> mmcgrath: Sorry, I miscommunicated that to nb and the others. 20:20 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, Guest commenting is on by deafault 20:20 < smooge> mod_fas? 20:20 < onekopaka> so it seems 20:20 < hiemanshu> smooge, i think mod_fas is for apache? 20:20 * onekopaka has been looking at the MW plugin 20:20 < mmcgrath> smooge: well, if wordpress supports apache auth, we can (and have) used mod_auth_postgres in the past. 20:21 < mmcgrath> actually that's how fedorahosted.org is setup. 20:21 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, we dont want to change _core_ files 20:21 < mmcgrath> correct. 20:21 < ricky> If we need to block on FAS authentication, then Nigel said he had something, but he needed to pull it up from an backup at home 20:21 < mmcgrath> does wp-mu support auth modules? 20:21 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, yes 20:21 < hiemanshu> ricky, he said he would send it to me when he found it 20:21 < smooge> so we would use wp-mu for account login and openid for comments? Is that possible/tested 20:22 < smooge> s/wp-mu/fas/ 20:22 < ricky> I have a feeling that wordpress mu's concept of a user applies both for logging in (blog administration) and comments. 20:22 < hiemanshu> smooge, yes but OpenID is not ready on FAS yet 20:22 < onekopaka> ricky: yep 20:22 < hiemanshu> ricky, yes 20:22 < hiemanshu> ricky, Guests can comment as well and that is moderated 20:22 < mmcgrath> so is the question here whether to put time into fixing OpenID or writing a wordpress plugin? 20:23 * mmcgrath would rather just fix OpenID. 20:23 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, on a long term basis OpenID 20:23 < ricky> What would be ideal if if somebody worked on OpenID in FAS :-) It's on my TODO list, but it's honestly not that high up compared to items like the signup wizard 20:23 < ricky> But maybe I need to change that 20:23 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:23 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: that would be a better long term solution 20:23 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: which would? 20:23 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, OpenID 20:23 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: OpenID 20:23 < onekopaka> because we could integrate with other apps 20:24 * hiemanshu thinks onekopaka can read his mind 20:24 < mmcgrath> just curious, where do our estimates that it's harder to fix our OpenID implementation then write a fresh wp plugin? 20:24 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, OpenID would work almost anywhere 20:24 < ricky> It's harder to fix OpenID, but it's also "better" 20:24 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, an WPMU plugin is easier 20:24 < hiemanshu> we need Smart work not Hard work 20:24 -!- Killmanhack [n=killman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:25 < Killmanhack> hi 20:25 < onekopaka> but a WP MU plugin is a more specific solution 20:25 < mmcgrath> k, well sounds like y'all are making good progress so that's good. 20:25 < mmcgrath> and for those that missed it this morning, I put the kill switch on news.fp.o until someone steps up and takes responsibility for it. 20:25 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i would 20:25 < smooge> what was news.fp.o 20:25 < mmcgrath> Though it sounds like the marketing team are working on a similar project now that will likely encompass that. 20:26 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:26 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: you're not on the marketing team. 20:26 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, :( 20:26 * onekopaka is limited to what he can do because he hasn't been sponsored for sysadmin-test and he knows that there's too many sponsees 20:26 < ricky> The first problem came up when an RFR was made without all that much talk within the marketing team 20:26 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: in our environment it's one of those things where the teams that need something provide a project manager, and find an infrastructure member to do the work. 20:26 < hiemanshu> onekopaka, i can help you till you are done there 20:26 < mmcgrath> what we need isn't someone to do the work, but someone on the team to say what they want. 20:26 < smooge> hiemanshu, if you are interested in looking at the new idea.. talk with themayor about his idea and items. 20:27 < hiemanshu> smooge, sure will 20:27 < smooge> hiemanshu, I saw the mockup mizmo and he did and it would probably be a replacement overwrite.. but he will need some infrastructure help 20:27 < jds2001> er, she :) 20:27 < hiemanshu> smooge, i might help them there if i can 20:28 * jds2001 pops in :) 20:28 < hiemanshu> hey jds2001, my sponsor and mentor :) 20:29 < mmcgrath> Ok, well anyone have anything else on this topic? 20:29 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, yes 20:29 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: have at it, whats up? 20:29 < hiemanshu> oh damn i forgot 20:29 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, continue i will come back later to you 20:30 * onekopaka reads hiemanshu's mind to find out what it was 20:30 < hiemanshu> onekopaka, extra plugins 20:30 -!- SMParrish [n=quassel@fedora/SMParrish] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:30 * onekopaka really can't read minds 20:30 < mmcgrath> Ok, well if you guys remember just ping. 20:30 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- OSUOSL 20:30 < mmcgrath> So I'd like to thank osuosl for becoming a new sponsor. 20:30 < mmcgrath> some of you probably noticed the new osuosl1 host. 20:30 * ianweller googles them 20:30 < mmcgrath> so we need to make sure to get their sponsors up. 20:31 < onekopaka> ianweller: http://osuosl.org/ 20:31 < mmcgrath> I've got some docs to update 20:31 < ricky> mmcgrath: Let me know whenever they've chosen a logo 20:31 < mmcgrath> and they all hang out in #osuosl 20:31 < mmcgrath> ricky: will do 20:32 -!- SMParrish [n=quassel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:32 < mmcgrath> In addition to that I've been workign on publictest6 for the QA team. 20:32 < mmcgrath> they've got one of our mediawiki installs and are trying to check out some new extensions that they think will help. 20:32 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: are we still on the osuosl topic? 20:32 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: nope sorry 20:32 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- pt6 20:32 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- pt6 20:33 < mmcgrath> This is yet another example of the wiki getting in the middle of various teams workflow. 20:33 < ianweller> mmcgrath: did that export help? 20:33 < mmcgrath> ianweller: it did at first though the version I have up there now didn't use it. 20:33 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i am good at wiki work if i can help 20:33 < ianweller> oic. 20:33 < mmcgrath> hope it was at least a fun excersize :) 20:33 -!- themayor [n=jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:33 < ianweller> oic.hehe 20:33 < ianweller> mmcgrath: what do you mean "getting in the middle" -- do you imply that it's good or bad? 20:33 < ianweller> or neither 20:33 < mmcgrath> ianweller: neither. 20:34 < mmcgrath> it's just that our wiki has always been a bit more than just an information wiki. 20:34 < mmcgrath> it sits in our workflow. 20:34 < ianweller> yeah. 20:34 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, what do we need the extra plugins for? 20:34 -!- openpercept_ [n=openperc@fedora/openpercept] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:34 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: I honestly don't even understand what those plugins do. 20:34 < mmcgrath> ianweller: do you know? 20:35 * mmcgrath gets the ticket number. 20:35 < ianweller> mmcgrath: not a clue. 20:35 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, unless there is a need, i dont think we need anything else 20:35 < ianweller> obviously they're so secretive, they fire the orbital laser whenever i make an edit with the edit summary "GRAHH" 20:35 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1473 20:35 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1473 (Request for demo mediawiki instance for QA) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1473 20:35 < hiemanshu> we need no fancy stuff and keep it clean 20:35 < ianweller> hiemanshu: well, yeah. 20:35 < mmcgrath> Looks like mediawiki-semantic 20:35 < ianweller> hiemanshu: but then again we're also here to help provide the means of making life simpler for our community 20:36 < mmcgrath> especially the QA team which is really gaining speed. 20:36 < mmcgrath> I'm just trying to set up stuff they want and get out of their way. 20:36 < hiemanshu> ianweller, what exactly would those plugins do, if there is a reason i agree 20:36 < ianweller> read the ticket 20:36 * onekopaka has heard a little bit of stuff about semantic mediawiki on mediawiki-l 20:36 < hiemanshu> ianweller, doing that 20:37 < mmcgrath> http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki 20:37 < mmcgrath> that's the plugin 20:37 -!- StillBob [n=EvilBob@fedora/bobjensen] has joined #Fedora-Meeting 20:37 -!- mchua [n=mchua@nat/redhat/x-e320474da8ae835c] has quit Connection timed out 20:37 -!- Fedora11 [n=EvilBob@fedora/bobjensen] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:37 < ianweller> so.. tagging 20:37 < mmcgrath> ianweller: some sort of super tagging I guess 20:37 < mmcgrath> we'll have to see what they come up with on pt6 20:37 < ianweller> magic tags 20:37 < mmcgrath> they very well may decide it doesn't do what they want :) 20:37 < mmcgrath> anywho, any more questions on that? 20:37 < ianweller> i'm glad they decided to go with a test instance 20:38 < hiemanshu> nope 20:38 < mmcgrath> ianweller: I'm happy to finally have the resources to arbitrarly do that stuff :) 20:38 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Zikula 20:38 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Zikula 20:38 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: around? 20:38 < ke4qqq> yep 20:38 < ianweller> mmcgrath: :D 20:38 < mmcgrath> So hit us, whats the latest on that? 20:38 < ke4qqq> so sparks has been packaging like mad - and we are well nigh done with all of that save for two licensing hiccups 20:39 < ke4qqq> but upstream is being extremely responsive to our concerns 20:39 < ricky> Awesome :-) 20:39 < ke4qqq> and have rectified a number of issues already 20:39 < ke4qqq> basically all of the modules are in for review, most approved and already building 20:39 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: to give us an idea of how big of an undertaking this has been. 20:39 < mmcgrath> how many total packages have you guys had to create for this? 20:39 < smooge> zikula is the CMS? 20:39 < Sparks> ke4qqq: might be one more module coming 20:39 < ianweller> smooge: yes 20:39 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah 20:40 < ke4qqq> by the time we are done it will be upwards of 20 20:40 < hiemanshu> for what do we need the CMS btw? 20:40 < ricky> Woah :-) 20:40 < ke4qqq> we still have the fedora-specific stuff 20:40 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: the big one, docs.fedoraproject.org 20:40 < ke4qqq> and some of the modules had bundled libs that weren't already in our repos 20:40 < ianweller> mmcgrath: hiemanshu: and perhaps the main part of fp.o, eventually 20:40 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: the other thing is historical. One interesting thing about our wiki is that it is largely contributor based. There's some end user content on there, but not a lot. 20:40 < ianweller> (is what i've heard) 20:40 < ke4qqq> as did the core 20:40 < mmcgrath> ianweller: quite possibly. 20:41 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: so our docs team is pretty killer, good people. 20:41 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i dont like the idea of a CMD 20:41 < hiemanshu> CMS for fp.o 20:41 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, :) 20:41 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: but the process to actually build docs.fedoraproject.org is absolutely crazy. 20:41 < ricky> Docs is leading the efforts to get it running, then we'll evaluate it for websites. 20:42 < mmcgrath> yeah, it may be great, may not be. 20:42 * onekopaka doesn't want crazy processes to build documentation 20:42 -!- mchua [n=mchua@nat/redhat/x-b16f75e529e0390a] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:42 < smooge> maybe it will eat babies.. maybe it won't. 20:42 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: you should hang out in #fedora-docs and ask someone to step you through it. 20:42 * hiemanshu wonders if onekopaka is lost bro 20:42 < mmcgrath> it's hilarious. 20:42 < hiemanshu> is his* 20:42 < Sparks> crazy is an understatement 20:42 * onekopaka is totally lost 20:42 < ke4qqq> the current process def. eats babies and puppies 20:42 < mmcgrath> and nirik one time actually had us turn the cron job down because it was generating so much bandwidth :) 20:42 < ke4qqq> so eating babies would be an improvement 20:42 < mmcgrath> one thing I'm still curious about is how zikula + translations will work. 20:43 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: can you talk to that at all? 20:43 < ke4qqq> so zikula supports gettext 20:43 < nirik> mmcgrath: although that was when it was going over our old slow link. ;) 20:43 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has quit "Leaving" 20:43 < ke4qqq> and really is just going to serve up docbook rendered stuff ( and have an automated way to build all of it) 20:43 < ke4qqq> and that's as much as I know unfortunately :/ 20:43 < ricky> Nice, I look forward to looking at that. 20:44 < hiemanshu> Looking forward to Zikula 20:44 -!- Killmanhack [n=killman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:44 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: gettext? so will this work with transifex or it's own thing completely? 20:44 < ricky> That'll work with transifex 20:44 < ke4qqq> upstream is building modules to build with publican and push out. 20:44 < ke4qqq> mmcgrath: it will work with transifex 20:44 < mmcgrath> no kidding? 20:44 < onekopaka> ke4qqq: that's good news 20:44 < mmcgrath> that's pretty amazing really. 20:44 < mmcgrath> Ok, 20:44 < ke4qqq> yeah upstream has been VERY responsive 20:44 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: anything else on that topic? 20:44 < hiemanshu> Great news 20:44 < ke4qqq> nothing 20:44 < smooge> wow... that would be like cake and candy 20:44 < smooge> and rainbows. 20:45 < hiemanshu> and extra icing 20:45 < ke4qqq> and ponies 20:45 * smooge goes into diabetic coma 20:45 < hiemanshu> lol ponies 20:45 < mmcgrath> Ok ok 20:45 < mmcgrath> that means 20:45 < mmcgrath> next topic :) 20:45 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Smooge! 20:45 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Smooge! 20:45 < smooge> its time to introduce me? 20:45 < mmcgrath> So... 20:45 < mmcgrath> smooge has been hired on by RH to work with us on Infrastructure 20:45 < mmcgrath> so thank you RH 20:46 < mmcgrath> and thank you smooge! 20:46 < mmcgrath> smooge: say some stuff. 20:46 * mmcgrath thinks smooge wrote Internet Explorer. 20:46 < smooge> hi my name is Smooge 1000. I am an older bot who worked on Mirrors long ago. 20:46 < hiemanshu> smooge, a speech 20:46 < mmcgrath> :-P 20:46 < smooge> no I didn't write IE. I wrote 4 lines to make IE work on RH. 20:46 -!- ReneP [i=ReneP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit 20:46 < smooge> it was called Red Baron 20:46 < mmcgrath> hehehe, see. Wrote IE. 20:46 < hiemanshu> i hate you smooge 20:46 < smooge> the real programmers wrote millions 20:47 < hiemanshu> you wrote IE :-0 20:47 < smooge> more lines than me. 20:47 < mmcgrath> heheeh 20:47 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple|@99-186-52-80.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has quit "Ex-Chat" 20:47 < smooge> i will say that if I had written IE then I would have been able to invest quite heavily in Linux from the IPO back in 1997 20:47 < mmcgrath> smooge: well welcome, I'm thrilled to have you working with all of us. It'll help immensely 20:47 < hiemanshu> anyone here wrote FF for a IE vs FF battle :P 20:47 -!- danielbruno [n=danielbr@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:48 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: heh, maybe later. 20:48 < mmcgrath> smooge: :) 20:48 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: it's abbreviated Fx 20:48 < mmcgrath> smooge: anything else to say? If not we'll open the floor. 20:48 * onekopaka claps for smooge 20:48 < smooge> my main work at Red Hat previously was Tech Support and Mirror manager that was taken over later by Kambiz and then Mdomsch 20:48 < smooge> I will be Mike's PFO (Pimply Face Oldguy). I know where the bodies are buried? 20:49 < smooge> and I think I am done 20:49 * onekopaka claps for smooge again 20:49 * hiemanshu remembers the Tech Support jokes he read last night 20:49 < mmcgrath> smooge: heheheh 20:49 < mmcgrath> ok 20:49 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:49 < hiemanshu> A big round of applause for smooge 20:49 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:49 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 20:49 < smooge> ok and thankyou to Red Hat for making this possible. 20:49 < mmcgrath> we can keep talking about smooges awesomeness if we want. 20:49 < smooge> Actually I do have a couple of things 20:49 < SmootherFrOgZ> yep 20:50 * ianweller laughs at this 20:50 < SmootherFrOgZ> the fas integration for ovirt is almost done 20:50 < mmcgrath> smooge: have at it. 20:50 < mmcgrath> smooge: oof, one sec. 20:50 < smooge> 1) I am going over DNS on the 10.8.34 and should have stuff cleaned up soon. 20:50 * mmcgrath wants to hear this. 20:50 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: you first, how's that all going? 20:50 < smooge> waits sorry. 20:50 < SmootherFrOgZ> pretty well, i'm gonna integrate it this night for test 20:51 < SmootherFrOgZ> i'm gonna need to have ruby-json into infra repo 20:51 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: is that something we can't put in EPEL? 20:51 -!- openpercept [n=openperc@fedora/openpercept] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:51 < SmootherFrOgZ> we can, i already requested a review for this package 20:52 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: oh excellent, i'd assumed it was some weird rhel subpackage they didn't enable :) 20:52 < SmootherFrOgZ> maybe, yeah :) 20:52 < SmootherFrOgZ> so 20:53 < sijis> smooge: congrats :) 20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: and how does the auth work exactly? similar to how the mediawiki plugin works? 20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: how does the authorization get created? 20:53 < SmootherFrOgZ> do we want that permission also managed by FAS for heac pool* 20:53 < smooge> what is heac pool? 20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: naw, I'd rather manage per pool and ovirt privileges in ovirt. 20:53 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: i worked on a python-fedora port and , built a ovirt plugin to deal with 20:54 < ricky> smooge: each pool, I think :-) 20:54 < mmcgrath> but we need the right users to show up in there, and to give them authentication. 20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> <nod> 20:54 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: cool, so anything else on that? Let me know when it's test ready :) 20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: so you still want the way to level up a user through ovirt UI ? 20:55 < smooge> ricky, ok sorry.. I thought it might be a new acronym 20:55 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: yeah 20:55 < SmootherFrOgZ> k 20:55 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: thanks for that. 20:55 -!- rdieter [n=rdieter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:55 < mmcgrath> Ok, since we're running short on time. 20:56 < mmcgrath> smooge: take it. 20:56 < SmootherFrOgZ> last note, upstream is interested to get this work into the base code (iirc) 20:56 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: even more betta :) 20:56 * onekopaka freaks about "more betta" 20:56 < smooge> ok so tuesday I started going through the 10.8.34 network to see what was registered correctly/incorrectly 20:57 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i have a few things to ask though, 1> What DB fas uses? 2> Is it possible to let WPMU directly talk to the DB 20:57 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: postgres and no. 20:57 < onekopaka> I knew it! 20:57 < mmcgrath> unless you're relying on apache auth. 20:57 < mmcgrath> smooge: thanks for that. 20:57 < smooge> we had 6 hosts unregistered in DNS (mostly DRAC/IBMstuff cards) 20:57 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i mean can i let it talk to the DB, if i program it 20:57 < smooge> mmcgrath, is tracking down there hosts. 20:57 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: no 20:58 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: you'll have to go through the json interface. 20:58 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: yep 20:58 < smooge> there were a couple of bad Reverse DNS but not many.. and there are about 20 hosts that are registered that can be unallocated. 20:58 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: there's builtin JSON support in the PHP on pt machines, IIRC 20:58 < mmcgrath> smooge: it's on my todo :) 20:58 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, python script to do so? I have an idea on my mind 20:58 < ricky> smooge: If you're going to be sending in DNS requests soon, feel free to include http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/curr.ips as well 20:58 < smooge> ricky, will do so after this meeting. 20:58 < ricky> hiemanshu: We can discuss methods for talking to FAS after the meeting if you want 20:58 < ricky> Thanks 20:58 < mmcgrath> smooge: interesting about the reverse dns, but not surprising. 20:59 < hiemanshu> ricky, allright 20:59 * onekopaka is seeing the seconds slip 20:59 < smooge> Once I have that network 'cleaned' up (and I have to say its very clean) 20:59 < smooge> I will move to others as needed 20:59 < smooge> I will also be cleaning up some systems as needed 20:59 < smooge> (making sure func and puppet agree with each other etc) 20:59 < ricky> smooge: It'd be good to start up a document with all this info so that we can stay clean in the future 20:59 < ricky> (Our IP allocations, etc.) 21:00 < smooge> ricky, I will do so. where do I put it? 21:00 * mmcgrath would like to do that in the inventory management system if we can. 21:00 < mmcgrath> we have a proof of concept and stuff setup 21:00 < ricky> Oh, didn't know about that 21:00 < smooge> ok will look at that. 21:00 * onekopaka looks at his clock 21:00 * smooge moves the clock back 21:00 < smooge> I will report the rest on the list. 21:00 * hiemanshu 's clocks rings, 2:30 AM time for bed 21:00 < mmcgrath> Ok guys times up! 21:01 < mmcgrath> #meetingend 21:01 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 21:01 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule 21:01 < fedbot> Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 21:01:10 2009 UTC. 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