Also avaliable at: Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/Fedora-Meeting/2009/Fedora-Meeting.2009-06-18-20.01.html Log: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/Fedora-Meeting/2009/Fedora-Meeting.2009-06-18-20.01.log.html 20:01 < fedbot`> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 20:01:09 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. 20:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here 20:01 < fedbot`> Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot , Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01 * ricky 20:01 * lmacken 20:02 < nirik> there it goes. 20:02 * sthistle says hi.. 1st time 20:02 < ricky> Welcome :-) 20:02 -!- fedbot [n=supybot@xxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:02 -!- fedbot` is now known as fedbot 20:02 < mmcgrath> Ok, so lets get started 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:03 < Jorn23> I'm here too 20:03 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:03 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 20:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y 20:03 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1464 20:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1464 (Puppet Web Apps Refactoring) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464 20:03 < mmcgrath> ricky: you want to take this one? 20:03 < mmcgrath> Jorn23: hey 20:03 < ricky> Sure 20:03 < Jorn23> heya :) 20:03 < ricky> I've been working on converting all of our apps to puppet modules 20:04 * dgilmore is here 20:04 < ricky> Right now, most of our applications are running off of the modules under the stg.fedoraproject.org namespaces. 20:04 < ricky> For this first piece, my goal is to only touch the app and proxy servers to keep things manageable. 20:04 * abadger1999 here 20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: if you were to guess, what % done are you? 20:05 < ricky> The way that I'd *like* to move things over is to get the staging environment into the exact configuration that we want, and then just drop it right into the master branch. 20:06 < ricky> I have all of our large apps moved, but I haven't gotten all of the behaviors of our production configs, like some redirects and stuff. 20:06 < ricky> So maybe 70-80% or so. I'm going to try and get the details matched up today, then send an email out asking people ot make sure that *.stg.fedoraproject.org behaves exactly like they want it. 20:07 < mmcgrath> excellent. 20:07 < mmcgrath> ricky: thanks for that 20:07 < mmcgrath> ricky: should we avoid messing staging up much until that's done? 20:07 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 20:08 -!- sgodsell [n=sgodsell@unaffiliated/sgodsell] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:08 < ricky> Most of the puppet modules aren't changing much at this point 20:08 < ricky> Just keep in mind if that if you want configuration changes to show up in staging, you need to edit the files in the module 20:08 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:08 < mmcgrath> ricky: anything else on that? 20:09 < ricky> Nope, thanks 20:09 < mmcgrath> coolz. 20:09 -!- JukeBoxHero [n=gorillaJ@fedora/hitboxx] has quit "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." 20:10 < mmcgrath> Ok, so thats the last ticket there. 20:10 -!- JukeBoxHero [n=gorillaJ@fedora/hitboxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:10 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Cloud stuff 20:10 -!- maploin [n=mapleoin@fedora/maploin] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:10 < mmcgrath> So there's not been too much going on with this in the past month or so but if you've been watching the commit logs you'll notice I've been rebuilding it all. 20:10 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping to get something up and going fairly soon. 20:11 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:11 < mmcgrath> I've been using it off and on with mostly success. 20:11 -!- BaRRa [n=tmakinen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:11 -!- denise [n=ddumas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:11 < mmcgrath> There's a whole other web interface that some various people are working on to make it less 'ovirt ui' ish and more 'end user fedora friendly' 20:11 < mmcgrath> No ETA on that. 20:11 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: :) 20:12 < Jorn23> What exactly is "cloud stuff" ? 20:12 < mmcgrath> but I am hoping to queue up some of the queues. 20:12 < mmcgrath> Jorn23: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/XavierLamien/Infrastructure/FedoraCloud 20:12 < mmcgrath> I think that's fairly up to date. 20:12 < mmcgrath> with what we're doing 20:12 < Jorn23> Cheers, I'll read that up 20:12 < mmcgrath> but it's basically an http://ovirt.org/ setup. 20:13 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on that? 20:13 -!- denise [n=ddumas@nat/redhat/x-7d59d02879b98a23] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < mmcgrath> Ok. 20:14 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Lots of changes 20:14 < mmcgrath> so we've had a lot of changes since F11 shipped. 20:14 < mmcgrath> probably more changes in the last couple of weeks then we've ever had. 20:14 < mmcgrath> some have been major, some minor, but there's been a bunch of them. 20:14 < mmcgrath> I only bring it up because we've been shaking out bugs and things 20:14 * dgilmore has one coming up that id like to talk about at some point 20:14 < mmcgrath> so keep your eyes open. 20:15 < mmcgrath> and if you find something, please don't assume we know about it. 20:15 < mmcgrath> Thats really all I had on that :) 20:16 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- dgilmore wants to talk about "one coming up" 20:16 < mmcgrath> :) 20:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: whats the poop? 20:16 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: im killing plague tomorrow 20:16 * mmcgrath cheers 20:16 < mmcgrath> well sort of. 20:16 * nirik jumps up and down in joy. 20:16 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: whats our process going to be for signing and pushing? 20:16 < mmcgrath> do I need to build another signing server? 20:16 < dgilmore> epel will switch to koji 20:16 < dgilmore> i think i have bodhi ready 20:16 < dgilmore> but i need to run some things by lmacken 20:17 < dgilmore> who i can never get ahold of 20:17 < ricky> Feel free to update it in staging if you have a newer package. 20:17 < jwb> another signing server. ew 20:17 * mmcgrath wonders if koji.stg.fedoraproject.org is back up and running. 20:17 < dgilmore> i need to setup epel_releng 20:17 < dgilmore> epel-releng1 20:17 < dgilmore> something like that 20:17 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: thats a group or a host? 20:17 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: a host 20:18 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: who's going to be able to sign and push? 20:18 < dgilmore> to do mash and package signing on for epel 20:18 < mmcgrath> how long is that process going to take 20:18 < mmcgrath> etc 20:18 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:18 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: epel_signers 20:18 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: until we can test not sure 20:18 < dgilmore> but much shorted than fedora updates 20:18 < dgilmore> shorter 20:18 < mmcgrath> so maybe we don't want to kill plague until we know the rest of that stuff? :) 20:19 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: so aside from the additional signing server what do we need? 20:19 < jwb> dgilmore, why is it going to be shorter? 20:19 < f13> less packages? 20:19 < mmcgrath> or do we need another releng box and not a signing server for epel? 20:19 < dgilmore> jwb: alot less packages 20:19 < nirik> many fewer packages. 20:19 < jwb> ah 20:19 < f13> less arches too 20:19 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: just another releng box 20:19 < f13> does EPEL do ppc(64) ? 20:19 < jwb> i was thikning frequency. not per-push duration 20:19 < f13> will it? 20:19 < dgilmore> epel does ppc 20:19 < nirik> f13: it does. 20:20 < dgilmore> but not ppc64 20:20 < f13> ah ok 20:20 < dgilmore> i was approached this weeke about doing s390x for epel also 20:20 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: what about disk? right now releng2 requires direct write access to /mnt/koji 20:20 < nirik> the only weird thing is there is no desktop RHEL for pcc. 20:20 < nirik> ppc 20:20 < mmcgrath> I'd assume we don't want that for EPEL? 20:20 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: the epel releng box will need to write also 20:20 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: the process will be the same 20:20 < mmcgrath> :: sigh :: 20:21 < mmcgrath> are we really sure we want fedora's process infecting epels? 20:21 < dgilmore> and i guess we ould use the existing releng resources 20:21 < mmcgrath> epel used to have such low overhead. 20:21 < f13> mmcgrath: depends on how y ou look at it 20:21 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: lots of people want it 20:21 < f13> mmcgrath: shuffling the repodata around different locations isn't exactly "low" overhead 20:21 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: updates notifications will be a big win 20:22 < mmcgrath> f13: I look at it as someone who watched jwb freak out a couple of days ago because he started a push that he wasn't sure would finish in time for the pkgdb update which was something like 18 hours away at the time. 20:22 < nirik> also epel has no deltas to worry about. 20:22 < f13> mmcgrath: we're talking about different orders of magnitute 20:22 < f13> magnitude 20:22 < jwb> mmcgrath, yeah, what f13 said 20:22 < mmcgrath> right now we are. 20:22 < lmacken> the pkgdb update doesn't effect pushing updates 20:22 < lmacken> at all 20:22 < dgilmore> nirik: right at least until we get to rhel 6 20:22 < jwb> also what lmacken said 20:22 < abadger1999> lmacken: <nod> But jwb didn't *know* that. 20:22 < mmcgrath> lmacken: thats my other point. No one was quite sure about that because of how many moving parts were involved. 20:22 < jwb> but i see where mmcgrath is coming from 20:23 < lmacken> right 20:23 < mmcgrath> anywho, if we're going forward with it we're going forward with it. 20:23 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: you have a pretty good idea of how a relepel1 would work? 20:23 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i think we should go ahead 20:23 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i do 20:24 < mmcgrath> k, then we'll go forward. 20:24 -!- Dp67 [n=rberry@fedora/Dp67] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:24 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping me after the meeting about getting that server up, I'm positive we've got space for it somewhere. 20:24 < mmcgrath> f13: and that reminds me, I owe you a shiny new signing server :) 20:25 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: :) thanks 20:25 < f13> mmcgrath: cool 20:25 < mmcgrath> it's racked, I need to throw an OS on there and talk to you about migrating to it whenever you guys are ready. 20:25 < mmcgrath> hell I might just be able to use dd and copy the old signing server over. 20:25 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: if we get the signing server up and running it should be useable for EPEL as well as fedora 20:25 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass@fedora/cassmodiah] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:25 < mmcgrath> well, this signing server is just different hardware. 20:25 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has quit "Leaving" 20:26 < mmcgrath> as for the signing server software, I think that's still a TODO 20:26 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: anything else on the EPEL move away from plague? 20:26 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: nope 20:26 < mmcgrath> coolz 20:26 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Signing Server 20:26 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Signing Server 20:27 < f13> we have signing server software to start using 20:27 < mmcgrath> f13: since you're here, do you want me to build the new signing server virtual so you guys can still log in and virsh and stuff? 20:27 < f13> and with the new hardware, now would be a good time to try and deploy it 20:27 < mmcgrath> f13: or do you want it to be physcial and require console access? 20:27 < mmcgrath> oh, excellent. 20:27 < f13> that's... a good question 20:27 < f13> can we get back to you on that? (: 20:27 < mmcgrath> f13: that'd probably work best then, it'll allow you guys to keep using the current signing box while the new one is getting ready. 20:27 < lmacken> f13: what software? 20:27 < f13> lmacken: mitr wrote software 20:27 < lmacken> f13: where is it? 20:27 < mmcgrath> f13: yeah, I'm on whatever schedule you guys want me to be :) 20:28 * ricky had no idea people were working on signing software 20:28 < f13> https://fedorahosted.org/sigul/browser 20:28 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:28 < lmacken> oh, nice :) 20:28 -!- tatica is now known as tatica-out 20:29 < f13> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=sigul.git;a=summary if you prefer 20:29 < f13> it hasn't been touched in a while because we wanted to get F11 out before we disrupted the signing process. 20:29 < mmcgrath> heh 20:30 -!- dthomasdigital [n=dthomasd@ubuntu/member/dthomasdigital] has quit "Leaving" 20:30 < mmcgrath> K 20:30 < mmcgrath> we'll take a look at that 20:30 < mmcgrath> any other questions on the signing server? 20:31 < mmcgrath> Alllrighty. 20:31 -!- N3LRX [n=rberry@fedora/Dp67] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:31 * mmcgrath thinks of anything else... 20:31 < mmcgrath> I think that's really all I've got right now 20:31 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Who's here? 20:31 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here? 20:31 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:31 < mmcgrath> oops :) 20:31 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:31 < nirik> I have one quick item. 20:31 < ricky> Heh 20:32 < mmcgrath> nirik: have at it 20:32 -!- kolesovdv [n=kolesovd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:32 < nirik> I've been working with the meetbot plugin author... he hopes to have a release in the next few days with more features/cleanups/fixes. At that point I would like to set it up with zodbot and see about having it log to a fedoraproject.org area... also a search engine of some kind on it would be nice. 20:33 -!- sping [n=sping@gentoo/user/sping] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:33 < dgilmore> nirik: its a neat bot 20:33 < nirik> If anyone has feedback for it, let me know. If I need to request anything or get anything approved as far as setting it up, let me know. ;) 20:33 < nirik> I already have it packaged. Just waiting to import it for the changes to land. 20:34 < mmcgrath> nirik: I've been fine with it. 20:34 < mmcgrath> can anyone use the start and stop meeting bits? 20:34 < nirik> yep. 20:34 < mmcgrath> how's that access figured out? 20:34 < nirik> it's open to anyone on a channel where that plugin is enabled. 20:34 < mmcgrath> excellent 20:35 < nirik> however, there are now some native supybot commands to let bot admins close meetings/add chairs 20:35 < mmcgrath> nirik: we'll throw up some sort of web deal for logging 20:35 < mmcgrath> if we haven't already 20:35 < mmcgrath> ricky: have we already? 20:35 < ricky> Not now 20:35 < nirik> so, an admin could override and close a meeting that was mistakenly made 20:35 -!- mchua [n=mchua@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:36 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia@fedora/sdziallas] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:36 < nirik> the upstream author is working on converting it to use Restructured text for it's summary... and then spit out html and a text suitable for posting to mailing lists. 20:36 -!- mchua [n=mchua@nat/redhat/x-a4d6433a89727a6d] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:36 < nirik> anyhow, just thought I would bring it up. Thats it. 20:36 -!- kolesovdv [n=kolesovd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < mmcgrath> nirik: excellent, thanks for keeping up with that 20:37 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? 20:38 < Jorn23> Just had a question for ricky 20:38 < Jorn23> Or well, not really only for ricky 20:38 < Jorn23> Anyway 20:39 < ricky> Ask away :-) 20:39 < Jorn23> A couple of days ago we talked about me helping with the migrations to ha-proxy, when do you think you have time for that ricky? 20:39 < mmcgrath> Jorn23: have at it 20:39 < mmcgrath> Jorn23: yeah we found lots of small odds and ends that were still in balancer :) 20:40 < ricky> There are a few that we could get after the meeting if you're around 20:40 < ricky> It'd be helpful for the work I'm doing in staging, actually. 20:40 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, I figure if we could go through one or two with Jorn23 he'd be able to get the rest 20:40 < ricky> There might also be a few that I did in staging that would be good to get live. 20:40 -!- Dp67 [n=rberry@fedora/Dp67] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 20:40 < Jorn23> That sounds good yeah 20:41 < Jorn23> But we can discuss the details outside the meeting I imagine. 20:42 < mmcgrath> Jorn23: sounds good, thanks for helping us work on that :) 20:42 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? 20:44 < mmcgrath> ok, well with that we'll close the meeting 20:44 < f13> I should bring up autotest 20:44 < mmcgrath> f13: oh, have at it 20:44 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- autotest 20:44 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- autotest 20:44 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 20:44 < f13> the QA team and I have been working on getting something ready to go in Fedora Infra for automated testing 20:44 < f13> There was a work in progress "invented here" effort called AutoQA, however we recently discovered Autotest from the kernel project 20:45 < f13> it seems to fit our needs nicely and already has an upstream and community around it 20:45 < f13> so I've spent the week trying to get it packaged 20:45 < f13> and we plan to deploy it within FI shortly to do some initial automated testing 20:45 < f13> however there is a bit of a problem 20:45 < f13> the server side of autotest requires an older Django than what's in Fedora 20:45 < f13> and building autotest properly requires use of Google Web Toolkit 20:46 < f13> gwt isn't in Fedora, and will be an extreme pain to get in, due to the snowball effect of piles of java 20:46 < mmcgrath> hahahah 20:46 < ricky> Blech. 20:46 < mmcgrath> this is going to be a pile of fun :) 20:46 < f13> however gwt is in a RHEL5 product, and I think the Django version available for EL5 matches what we need 20:47 < f13> so I'm working on a package I can build against RHT's brew that has gwt, to produce something suitable for an EL5 host. gwt isn't needed at rumtime, only a build to translate java files to javascript 20:47 < f13> we'll continue to try and get gwt into Fedora, but that's going to have to be a project all on its own 20:47 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:47 < mmcgrath> f13: k, I'll be happy to help with that when the time comes. We do have a free software policy to make sure we follow - 20:47 < f13> If I get something built via RHT's brew, would we be able to use it within FI to run an autotest host? 20:47 < mmcgrath> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/free-software-policy/en-US/html-single/ 20:48 < mmcgrath> But yeah, I think we'll have hosts for it and stuff 20:48 < f13> all the software involved is free, it's just a huge hassle to get packaged. 20:48 < f13> I think james may have some machines to throw at it too, mostly I was looking for a policy decision 20:49 < f13> the other thing we've done is had upstream pre-translate the java to javascript. javascript is technically not binary, but it is cheating a bit 20:49 < mmcgrath> yeah, we'll figure something out. 20:49 < mmcgrath> f13: anything else on that for now? 20:49 < f13> but it did remove our need of gwt during package build. I'd prefer that we stuck with using gwt at build time, from RHT 20:50 < f13> nope. We'll likely be looking to host it after FUDCon Berlin 20:50 < mmcgrath> f13: sounds good 20:50 < f13> one last thing, has folks here had enough time to review the proposals that came from the recent FAD? 20:50 < mmcgrath> f13: There were proposals from FAD? 20:50 < f13> oh my yes 20:51 < f13> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_Fedora_Development_Cycle_2009#Resulting_Output 20:51 < f13> please do read and comment if there are any concerns, as we move these proposals further into planning and polishing up for submitting to FESCo 20:52 < mmcgrath> f13: k, I'll send a note to the infrastructure list and let people to know to read over them, I'll do the same. 20:52 < abadger1999> f13: Which ones affect FI? 20:52 -!- openpercept [n=openperc@fedora/openpercept] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:52 < abadger1999> Everything but hte first? 20:52 < f13> milestone does, as it reduces the freeze points (no more alpha), and yeah 20:52 < f13> pretty much all of them in one way or another. 20:53 < mmcgrath> f13: was anyone from Infrastructure at FAD? 20:53 * mmcgrath isn't sure who attended that 20:53 < ricky> I think skvidal might have been there 20:53 < mmcgrath> I think seth, jesse and luke? 20:54 < f13> yep 20:54 < mmcgrath> Ah, I see the Attendees section in the link. 20:54 < mmcgrath> K, anyone have anything else to discuss? 20:54 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close in 30 20:55 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting
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