20:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Infrastructure -- Who's here? 20:01 -!- tjdavisbz [n=tjdavisb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:02 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Baconz@fedora/sonarguy] has quit "Xchat destroyed by Operating System" 20:02 < mmcgrath> So who's here? 20:02 * nirik is sitting in the cheap seats in the back. 20:02 < f13> I'm kind of here, but about to be called away to luch with the family any moment now 20:03 < mmcgrath> abadger1999 dgilmore f13 G G_work ivazquez jcollie jds2001 lmacken paulobanon quaid ricky ping! 20:03 < mmcgrath> f13: <nod> 20:03 < ivazquez> Pong. 20:03 * mmcgrath thinks G isn't awake yet :) 20:03 < abadger1999> pong 20:04 < abadger1999> f13: Aww... we're your family too ;-) 20:04 < mmcgrath> Ok, well lets get started. 20:05 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:05 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 20:05 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y 20:05 < mmcgrath> .ticket 740 20:05 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #740 (Loaning out system time to OLPC participants) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/740 20:05 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: any news here? 20:06 -!- warren [n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:07 * mmcgrath will assume not. 20:07 < mmcgrath> And thats our only ticket listed with meeting keyword so I'll move on 20:07 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- nfs1 20:07 < mmcgrath> One thing I'm going to spend some time doing over the next couple of weeks is getting more information about the trending on nfs1. 20:07 < mmcgrath> The amount of IO it gets just doesn't make sense to me. 20:08 < mmcgrath> and so, investigation :) 20:08 < mmcgrath> anyone have any questions / comments about nfs1? 20:08 -!- smooge [n=smooge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:08 < f13> just that we'll continue to abuse it in the next few weeks 20:08 < mmcgrath> :) 20:08 < mmcgrath> WORKSFORME. 20:08 < mmcgrath> ok 20:08 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: infrastructure -- New capacity 20:09 < mmcgrath> after this last trip to PHX we are in much better shape then we were this time last year. 20:09 -!- tjdavisbz [n=tjdavisb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:09 < mmcgrath> we actually have room to grow, a switch that works. All in all just in better shape. 20:09 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: none sorry 20:09 < mmcgrath> I'm going to spend some time with ricky and nigel to get everything non-buildsystem/releng related off of xen1 and xen2 and dedicate those servers to those purposes. 20:10 < f13> yay 20:10 < mmcgrath> we'll see how things go from there. 20:10 < mmcgrath> next 20:10 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: any word on load balancing koji? 20:10 < f13> wow. 20:10 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: I've not heard a peep on that ticket. 20:10 < f13> er 20:10 * mmcgrath sends a ping now. 20:11 * dgilmore wants to rebuild koji1 32 bit 20:11 < mmcgrath> k, ping sent 20:11 < mmcgrath> ok. next item 20:11 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- DR. 20:12 * dgilmore also wonders what we can do to try balance things inside of phx 20:12 < mmcgrath> Some of you have probably seen my commit messages over the last couple of days. 20:12 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: not sure, though AFAIK, not much until we move the buildsystem into their own network. 20:12 -!- jeff_hann [n=arares@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < mmcgrath> So I'm almost done getting our off site backups in place. ITs all on a LUKS encrypted partition so I'll pass that pw around to the sysadmin-backup group. 20:13 < mmcgrath> We're grabbing a copy of our cvs, lookaside, database data, and stuff on puppet. 20:13 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster 20:13 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: so when a meteor hits PHX whats our plan of action? 20:14 -!- tjdavisbz [n=tjdavisb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:14 < mmcgrath> not much exiting but it will be nice to know it exists. 20:14 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we'll have an SOP of course :) 20:14 < mmcgrath> hopefully one that we can print up in case the wiki goes away :) 20:14 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: paper copies available offsite 20:14 < dgilmore> :) 20:15 < mmcgrath> I'm going to talk to stickster at FUDCon about a Fedora Continuity Plan. Just ot make sure I'm not missing anything and to make sure what I think is a priority for Fedora is the same thing he thinks is a priority for Fedora. 20:15 < dgilmore> :) 20:15 < mmcgrath> but it will be very intertwined with this DR site. 20:15 * stickster nods emphatically 20:16 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything on that? 20:16 < mmcgrath> k 20:16 * dgilmore thinks stickster will say everything (esp buildsys) is viataly important 20:16 < jsmith> mmcgrath: Ugh... continuity planning.... yuck... 20:16 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- zodbot 20:16 < mmcgrath> jsmith: yuck indeed, but I am happy that we're at the point where we can even consider such things :) 20:17 < mmcgrath> Ok. zodbot! 20:17 < mmcgrath> is official 20:17 < mmcgrath> ./ping 20:17 < mmcgrath> err 20:17 < mmcgrath> .ping 20:17 < zodbot> pong 20:17 < mmcgrath> .whoami 20:17 < zodbot> mmcgrath: mmcgrath 20:17 < mmcgrath> he's in PHX and officially supported. 20:17 < mmcgrath> on noc1. I talked to ianweller about some improvements just a couple days back. 20:17 < mmcgrath> I've got the SOP up on how to start zodbot. 20:17 < mmcgrath> all pretty simple. 20:17 < dgilmore> .do you log meetings? 20:17 -!- Sparks_too [n=sparks@fedora/Sparks] has quit "Leaving" 20:17 * nirik was just looking at the log plugin 20:17 < mmcgrath> every channel zodbot is in is being logged. 20:18 < mmcgrath> though its not all exposed yet 20:18 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: :) meeting logs, roll call would be cool 20:18 < dgilmore> something like .startmeeting 20:18 < dgilmore> .topic1 20:18 < dgilmore> .topic2 20:18 < dgilmore> etc 20:18 < mmcgrath> <nod> I think thats been mentioned before but I don't know if any actual work has been done 20:18 < dgilmore> .endmeeting 20:19 < dgilmore> .vote 20:19 < nirik> http://www.ausimage.us/Code/Supybot-ChannelSummer 20:19 < dgilmore> lotsa cool things someone could work on :) 20:19 < mmcgrath> yeah. I'm sure that will be around sometime soon. 20:19 < dgilmore> dont be shy now people 20:20 < mmcgrath> nirik: hah! "I hope to provide the plugin as soon as I am clear on the license." 20:20 < smooge> oooooh that would be nice. 20:20 < nirik> yeah, many of these have unclear licenses or none. 20:20 < mmcgrath> that's got doom all over it. but if it won't work, I'm sure we can have someone (maybe abadger1999 ) spit something out in an afternoon :) 20:20 < nirik> I assume we will want to package anything we use? 20:20 < mmcgrath> nirik: yeah 20:20 -!- cebbert [n=cebbert@fedora/cebbert] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:20 < smooge> what is the problem with the license? 20:20 < dgilmore> this is something that someone new could work on as code development doesnt need access to anything 20:20 < mmcgrath> nirik: FWIW though, we have a supybot-fedora app though, it can just be added with that. 20:20 * ricky is around 20:20 < mmcgrath> smooge: I don't think the developer knows what license it is :) 20:21 < smooge> ah.. 20:21 < nirik> yeah, true I guess. 20:21 < smooge> ganja license 20:21 * mmcgrath would laugh at him but has probably been in his shoes a couple of times in the past :) 20:21 < nirik> looking like plugins are not hard to write, I might try adding a flood protect one. 20:21 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Signing me up for more work again? ;-) 20:21 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: you were being quiet, I assumed that was you voluteering :) 20:21 < mmcgrath> anywho, the zodbot stuff is all fairly low priority but would be nice. 20:22 < mmcgrath> and it is kind of fun to code for. 20:22 < mmcgrath> I enjoyed coding the koji stuff 20:22 < mmcgrath> .buildload 20:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Load: 3.7 Total: 94.0 Use: 3.9% (Very Light Load) 20:22 < mmcgrath> Anywho, anyone have anything else on that? 20:22 < dgilmore> .builders 20:22 < zodbot> dgilmore: Enabled: 16 Ready: 16 Disabled: 7 20:22 < mmcgrath> k 20:22 * ricky has requested that zodbot be given ability to join more channels :-0 20:22 * nirik notes we are looking at using it or something like it in #fedora at some point. 20:23 < ricky> **:-) 20:23 < mmcgrath> ricky: is there a limit on how many channels zodbot can join? 20:23 -!- brothers [n=brothers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:23 < mmcgrath> .list 20:23 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Fedora, Internet, Koji, Later, Misc, Owner, Plugin, RSS, Seen, ShrinkUrl, String, Time, URL, Unix, User, and Web 20:23 < ricky> They wanted the request to come from Fedora's group contact (spot) so after that, we can make a huge list of channels for zodbot to hoin 20:23 < ricky> **join 20:23 < mmcgrath> .list channel 20:23 < zodbot> mmcgrath: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice 20:23 < smooge> ooooh lobotomy 20:24 < nirik> yep. Very usefull too. 20:24 < ricky> Yeah, there's a channel limit, but you can request an exemption 20:24 * ricky is on slow wireless, sorry 20:24 < mmcgrath> ricky: ahh, I didn't realize. and I'm sure there's some zodbot is in that he doesn't need to be 20:24 * mmcgrath wonders if I can get a list of what channels he's in 20:24 < mmcgrath> .list channelstats 20:24 < zodbot> mmcgrath: channelstats and stats 20:24 < mmcgrath> .stats 20:24 < zodbot> mmcgrath: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 20:24 < mmcgrath> .channelstats.stats 20:24 -!- sonargal [n=Test@fedora/SonarGal] has quit Connection timed out 20:24 < nirik> mmcgrath: yes, 'channels' but you have to msg and be an admin 20:24 < ricky> I think we should be able to put zodbot in all Fedora-related ones, if only for logging purposes 20:24 < mmcgrath> .channels 20:24 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. 20:24 < mmcgrath> ah 20:25 * nirik notes that if it's always logging we need to notify people of that fact... and/or delete logs we don't want to publish 20:25 < mmcgrath> nirik: see, you're getting better at this then I am already :) 20:25 < ricky> Yup. 20:26 < mmcgrath> there we go 20:26 < mmcgrath> ricky: I just removed it from 4 channels 20:26 < nirik> :) Just wanted to see if it could work for #fedora. ;) 20:26 * ricky isn't particularly for publishing any partial logs for public channels, I'd rather it be an all or nothing, based on whether the users/ops of a channel support it 20:26 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, i agree. 20:27 < mmcgrath> huh 20:27 < mmcgrath> I think I just spammed everyone. 20:27 < mmcgrath> anywho. 20:27 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss on zodbot? 20:27 < nirik> yeah, logging should be a per channel thing I guess... 20:27 < abadger1999> We could automunge email addresses in the log. 20:27 -!- cebbert [n=cebbert@fedora/cebbert] has quit Nick collision from services. 20:28 -!- cebbert [n=cebbert@fedora/cebbert] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:28 < nirik> note the last bit here: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml 20:28 < nirik> "If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs (removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often provide identifying information which is hard to filter." 20:29 < mmcgrath> nirik: yeah 20:29 < ricky> I usually try to be careful with giving full emails out in IRC - I usually say stuff like stuff at domain dot com or something - don't know if many people have this habit as well 20:30 < mmcgrath> <nod> 20:30 -!- kekko [n=kekko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 20:30 < mmcgrath> that'll be a tricky to figure out 20:31 -!- jeff_hann [n=arares@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 20:31 < mmcgrath> ok, well anyone have anything else on that? If not I'll open the floor. 20:31 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:31 < dgilmore> nothing more 20:32 < mmcgrath> Ok, well if no one has anything else we'll close the meeting in 30 20:32 < ricky> This is our first meeting since the release 20:32 < ricky> Is there anything to discus with regards to how that went? 20:32 < ricky> **discuss 20:32 < dgilmore> i think the release went really really well 20:32 < ricky> (It's probably a bit blurry now :-)) 20:33 < dgilmore> much smoother than previous ones 20:33 < dgilmore> though there is likely places for improvement 20:33 < mmcgrath> yeah, I'd say that release was down right boring. 20:33 < mmcgrath> which is fine by me. 20:33 < ricky> Has there been any more discussion on pushing to mirrors vs. having them pull manually at the right time? 20:33 < mmcgrath> one thing I would have liked to have measured but didn't in zabbix is hits / second at the peak. 20:33 < mmcgrath> we've got it for the wiki. 20:33 < dgilmore> f13: can yu think of things we could do to help get zero day updates out quicker 20:34 < f13> for what? 20:34 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah. I suspect thats a long term thing. I'm not sure what mdomsch has in mind for that. 20:34 < dgilmore> much smoother than previous ones release day updates? 20:34 < dgilmore> grr 20:34 < dgilmore> f13: release day updates 20:34 < dgilmore> probably better waiting a day or two 20:34 < f13> we push those out days before 20:34 < f13> so that they're already on the mirrors at GA time 20:35 < f13> the big issue is getting mirrors to bitflip i ntime 20:35 < ricky> Yeah, that was a great idea 20:35 < dgilmore> f13: push mirroring would help there 20:35 < dgilmore> ? 20:35 < ricky> Are public mirrors currently required to run report_mirror? 20:35 < dgilmore> ricky: no 20:35 < ricky> (Or does just getting crawled work too?) 20:35 < mmcgrath> nope, its optional. 20:35 < ricky> Ah 20:35 < mmcgrath> both 20:35 < f13> dgilmore: pushing would help there yes 20:36 < mmcgrath> though someone could report with report_mirror and show up in the list, even though the bit is not flipped yet (I think) 20:36 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: they could 20:36 < ricky> And does anybody know offhand how long full crawls take nowadays? 20:36 < ricky> Was there any attempt to make sure that a crawl started after the bitflip time? 20:37 < mmcgrath> ricky: long while 20:37 < ricky> Ah, darn. 20:38 < mmcgrath> I think it'd make sense to break them up maybe, have each app server take a subset 20:38 < mmcgrath> not sure what mdomsch has in mind for that though. There's probably a couple different options 20:38 < mmcgrath> thats something we should probably wait for mdomsch to be around for. 20:38 < ricky> Yeah 20:38 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else to discuss? If not we'll end the meeting in 30. 20:39 < dgilmore> squirrels 20:39 < dgilmore> in particular stopping the dogs from barking at them 20:39 < dgilmore> ;) 20:39 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass@fedora/cassmodiah] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:39 < notting> shoot the squirrels? 20:39 < mmcgrath> heh 20:40 < mmcgrath> ok, with that 20:40 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting End 20:40 < dgilmore> notting: i cant shoot them 20:40 < ricky> Heh 20:40 < notting> have the dogs 'accidentally' catch them? 20:40 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:41 < dgilmore> notting: i have little dogs. i think the squirrels are bigger than them 20:42 * nirik can loan you some dogs that also don't like squirrels and can catch them if they aren't too high up in the trees. ;) 20:43 < notting> dgilmore: somehow prevent the dogs from seeing the squirrels? 20:44 < brothers> start over, raise the dogs from pups alongside squirrels, so they learn to coexist 20:45 < dgilmore> notting: thats what ive been trying :) 20:48 -!- brothers [n=brothers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:55 < warren> http://www.donweiser.com/videos.html White squirrel videos!
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