19:59 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting. Who's here? 19:59 < limburgher> The New Guy. 19:59 * jds2001 ,but in a $DAYJOB meeting too 20:00 * f13 20:00 * wakko666 finally remembers to show up. 20:00 * SmootherFrOgZ here 20:00 -!- susmit [n=susmit@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:00 * skvidal is 20:00 * susmit is 20:01 * ricky 20:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Fedora 10 release 20:01 < mmcgrath> So as you all know the F10 release is less then 2 weeks away. I'm going to spend most of this meeting time getting tickets assigned for who's doing what. 20:01 * lmacken rolls in 20:01 < mmcgrath> The release tickets are at: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9 20:02 < mmcgrath> I'm going to pay extra attention to the tickets this time around to make sure nothing gets forgotten or lost. 20:02 * abadger1999 here until power goes out 20:02 < mmcgrath> We didn't have a particularly good preview release. 20:02 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: solid. 20:02 < mmcgrath> So first ticket 20:02 < mmcgrath> .ticket 976 20:02 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #976 (New website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/976 20:02 < mmcgrath> ricky: you all set there? 20:03 < ricky> Yup 20:03 < mmcgrath> k 20:03 < mmcgrath> .ticket 977 20:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #977 (Mirror space verification) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/977 20:03 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: do you want to take this one? Its different from what you did for the preview release. 20:04 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: if not let me know and I'll take it. 20:04 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: no pb, go ahead and assign it to me 20:04 < jds2001> mmcgrath: what's involved here? 20:04 < jds2001> oh, SmootherFrOgZ has it, great :) 20:04 < mmcgrath> jds2001: basically to work with releng to find out how much space we need for the F10 launch... and make sure we have that much space. 20:04 < mmcgrath> it's almost always more complicated then it seems ;) 20:05 * mmcgrath will assign and provide some details. 20:05 < mmcgrath> next ticket 20:05 < mmcgrath> .ticket 985 20:05 < f13> I should have some good ideas around the first part of next week 20:05 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #985 (Let Mirror Manager know about the new release) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/985 20:05 < mmcgrath> f13: this one's usually you or mdomsch, should I assign it to you? 20:05 < f13> I honestly don't know what to do for that, is there an SOP? 20:06 -!- alexxed [n=alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving." 20:06 < ricky> There's a partial mirrormanager SOP 20:06 < ricky> Not sure if it has 100% of the steps necessary for release, though 20:06 -!- alexxed [n=alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:06 < ricky> mdomsch: Mind checking over that when you have a chance? 20:06 < mmcgrath> f13: its just letting the mirrors know 1) when the bits are ready and 2) when the bit flips. 20:07 < ricky> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/MirrorManager) 20:07 < f13> mmcgrath: er, that's let "mirrors" know, and that's a ticket filed in releng, not "let mirror manager know" which sounds like touching something inside mirrormanager 20:07 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: I reassigned it to you, if you still want it go ahead and accept it. 20:07 < SmootherFrOgZ> k 20:07 < mmcgrath> f13: sorry you're right, I got my tickets mixed up. 20:07 -!- mcgarnicle [n=janderso@xxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:08 < mmcgrath> f13: ignore what I just said for now :) 20:08 < f13> okiedokie 20:08 < mmcgrath> ricky: do you want to take ticket 985 and work with mdomsch to verify its correct? It'd be good to have someone other then mdomsch do it to verify for correctness. 20:09 < ricky> Sure 20:09 < mmcgrath> k 20:09 < mmcgrath> next ticket 20:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 179 20:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #179 (RFI for hosting capabilities) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/179 20:09 < mmcgrath> no 20:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 979 20:09 < mmcgrath> :) 20:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #979 (Mirror Coordination) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/979 20:09 < ricky> Hehe 20:10 * dgilmore is here 20:10 < mmcgrath> f13: ok, this one I think is normally you or mdomsch 20:10 < dgilmore> need to update schedule 20:10 < f13> mmcgrath: I'll take 979, although that's a dupe of a ticket I'll have in releng queue 20:10 < mmcgrath> f13: k, should I remove this from our release SOP? 20:12 < f13> yeah, please do 20:12 < mmcgrath> k 20:12 < Southern_Gentlem> !isnt it better to be left as a doublecheck? 20:12 < mmcgrath> next ticket 20:12 < f13> Southern_Gentlem: you could leave it as "make sure releng has a ticket for this" 20:13 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:13 < mmcgrath> .ticket 908 20:13 < mmcgrath> err 20:13 < mmcgrath> damnit 20:13 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #908 (Deletion of /cvs/fedora/l10n/) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/908 20:13 < mmcgrath> .ticket 980 20:13 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #980 (Verify Mirror permissions (no leaking)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/980 20:13 < mmcgrath> nirik: you around? 20:13 < nirik> yeah, somewhat... whats up? 20:13 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: thats something really out of our control 20:13 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 20:13 < mmcgrath> nirik: interested in taking a ticket for our release? 20:14 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: well making sure we dont open them up early again is in our control 20:14 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we leaked last time. 20:14 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i fogot we mesed up also 20:14 < f13> yeah, that was my fault 20:14 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we're not controling it, we're ensuring it gets done correctly. 20:14 < f13> I've changed how we stage stuff so that should be less of a problem. 20:14 < mmcgrath> nirik: would you be interested in 20:14 < nirik> well, what does that entail? I can check perms on our mirror, etc. 20:14 < mmcgrath> .ticket 980 20:14 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #980 (Verify Mirror permissions (no leaking)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/980 20:14 * nirik looks 20:15 * mdomsch is back 20:15 < mmcgrath> nirik: when you get the email from f13 that the bits are ready, sync those bits, verify they've got the right permissions, (not world readable) 20:15 < nirik> sure, I could look at that. 20:15 < mmcgrath> then when the bit flip happens make sure you can read them. 20:15 < nirik> s/look at/do/ 20:15 < nirik> sure. 20:15 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ did it for the preview but he's got a different task this time so I figured I'd see if you could do it. 20:15 < nirik> go ahead and assign it to me... 20:15 < mmcgrath> nirik: I'll assign it to you, if you want it accept it, if not leave it alone and I'll pass it along :) 20:15 < mmcgrath> k 20:16 < nirik> mdomsch: should I report leaky mirrors to you this cycle? I am sure #fedora will hear about them... 20:16 < dgilmore> nirik: if a mirror leaks we really cant do much 20:16 < mdomsch> we always leak 20:16 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:16 < mmcgrath> nirik: report them to mdomsch, myself and f13, whoever you can get ahold of first. Use https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pager if you have to :) 20:16 < dgilmore> nirik: but we should not be the source of the leak 20:16 < nirik> right. 20:16 < mdomsch> dgilmore, right 20:16 < f13> mmcgrath: only page if we're the source of the leak 20:16 < mmcgrath> nirik: well, if its us that leaks, if its a mirrors just leave it be unless its really wide spread or something ;) 20:16 < nirik> mostly I was thinking for purposes of notifying them... 20:17 < f13> mmcgrath: I really don't care to be paged if some mirror admin leaks manually 20:17 -!- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone 20:17 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:17 < nirik> ie, if they don't know they have something messed up and are going to get a ton of BW sucked down. 20:17 < mdomsch> let the fanboyz get their bits early 20:17 < nirik> or should we just not care at all if it's not out fault? 20:17 < mdomsch> MM won't direct to mirrors at that point 20:17 < mdomsch> so if they leak and it's their fault, well, not much we can do to help them 20:17 < mmcgrath> nirik: we care, but not much we can do about it. 20:18 -!- Smoother1rOgZ [n=laxathom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:18 < mmcgrath> ok, anything else on ticket 980? 20:18 -!- kushal [n=kdas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 20:18 < nirik> well, notify them if we have contact info, but I guess thats a loosing propsition. 20:18 < mmcgrath> next ticket is 20:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 981 20:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #981 (Add Mirror Manager repository redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/981 20:18 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I always forget exactly what this one is, care to explain? 20:19 < mmcgrath> this is to send pre-release people to F10 or to send them on to rawhide? 20:19 < mmcgrath> if they yum upgrade 20:19 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, sure - it's done 20:19 < mdomsch> right 20:19 < mdomsch> f10-preview and later rawhide 20:19 < mmcgrath> ah 20:19 < mmcgrath> k 20:19 < mdomsch> have fedora-release file pointing at fedora-10 20:19 < mdomsch> repo 20:19 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=laxathom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:19 < mdomsch> but it doesn't exist, so MM redirects them to rawhide for now 20:19 < mdomsch> on release day, we need to drop the redirect 20:20 < mdomsch> there's a script to run on bapp1 to do so 20:20 < mmcgrath> ah, k. 20:20 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: would you mind accepting that ticket? If not can you make a note in it to the SOP on what to do and I'll do it? 20:20 < mdomsch> I"m on it 20:20 < mmcgrath> solid, thanks. 20:20 < mmcgrath> next ticket 20:20 < mmcgrath> .ticket 982 20:20 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #982 (Communicate with RHIS) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/982 20:20 < mmcgrath> this one's done, they've known for a long time. 20:20 < mmcgrath> .ticket 983 20:20 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #983 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/983 20:20 < mmcgrath> This one is in progress. I'm going to accept it now. 20:21 < mmcgrath> This freeze was interesting. 20:21 < mmcgrath> there was so little time between our last freeze and the final freeze. 20:21 < mmcgrath> I tried to squeeze a bunch of stuff in and it obviously had problems. 20:21 < mmcgrath> so far I don't think we've had any negative affects related to the release though. 20:22 < mmcgrath> Its something we'll want to talk about after the release to discuss exactly what could have been better from our point of view. 20:22 < mmcgrath> anywho. 20:22 -!- abadger1999 [n=abadger1@xxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:22 < mmcgrath> .ticket 987 20:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 20:22 < mmcgrath> .ticket 987 20:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 20:22 < mmcgrath> .ticket 978 20:22 * mmcgrath is sorry 20:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #978 (F10 Release Day ticket (2008-11-25)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/978 20:22 < mmcgrath> This is a tracker ticket. I'll accept that now and close it when we're done. 20:22 < f13> ticket 987 is a ticket about zodbot not handling unknown tickets well. 20:22 < mmcgrath> .ticket 984 20:22 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ex-Chat" 20:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #984 (Wiki Common Issues) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/984 20:23 < mmcgrath> quaid: ping 20:23 < mmcgrath> ricky: ping 20:23 < ricky> mmcgrath: pong 20:23 * mmcgrath isn't quite sure who to assign this to. 20:23 * ricky isn't too familiar with the Common issues docs 20:23 < mmcgrath> ricky: It's odd that this is an infrastructure task but it is something that has to get done so I'm happy to leave it here but who actually owns that page? 20:24 < quaid> mmcgrath: pong 20:24 < ricky> Doesn't https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common just get updated manually? 20:24 * mmcgrath suspects its here because it wasn't done last time. 20:24 < mmcgrath> quaid: see the last few lines of scrollbak, who owns the common bugs page? 20:24 < quaid> good question 20:24 < quaid> Bug Triage perhaps? 20:25 < mmcgrath> jds2001: ? 20:25 < quaid> honestly, it's been a joint effort, no clear ownership, iirc 20:25 < jds2001> hmm 20:25 -!- alexxed [n=alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:25 * mmcgrath notes jds2001 was asking questions about tickets earlier 20:25 < mmcgrath> jds2001: you want this ticket? :) 20:25 < jds2001> Is there something there now? 20:25 < quaid> yeah, it redirects to f9 bugs 20:25 < jds2001> I guess, whast's the ticket about? 20:25 < quaid> well, it highlights F9, I guess 20:26 < mmcgrath> .ticket 984 20:26 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #984 (Wiki Common Issues) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/984 20:26 < jds2001> OK, I think that quaid and I could jointly take that. 20:26 * quaid adds himself to the ticket 20:26 < jds2001> since that's really a docs/triage collaboration thing 20:26 < mmcgrath> k, just make sure it gets accepted by someone otherwise I'll keep bugging you two about it :) 20:27 < ricky> I think these are the pages to be edited: 20:27 < ricky> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FedoraVersion 20:27 < ricky> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FedoraVersionNumber 20:27 < mmcgrath> ricky: thats related to 984 you mean? put them in the ticket if so so we don't forget. 20:27 < ricky> Sure. 20:27 < mmcgrath> rock. 20:28 < mmcgrath> And with that, we should have a smooth release. 20:28 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor (specific to the release) 20:28 * quaid waits for ricky to do his thing 20:28 < mmcgrath> does anyone have any questions directly related to the release? 20:28 < quaid> can someone i) sponsor me for sysadmin-web, and ii) teach me how to work the magic on docs.fedoraproject.org? 20:28 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 20:29 * quaid wants to fix the CSS and be able to move Docs more quickly to publish 20:29 < mmcgrath> quaid: I can do that, ping me after the meeting. 20:29 < quaid> ok 20:29 < mmcgrath> Ok, and with that.. 20:29 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 20:30 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 20:30 < limburgher> What FIG should I apply to to help with things like 931? 20:30 < mmcgrath> .ticket 931 20:30 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #931 (1 package missing from mirrors) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/931 20:31 < mmcgrath> limburgher: that I think is releng and then sysadmin-releng. I think f13 or lmacken would be able to sponsor you better. 20:31 < mmcgrath> well better then I anyway. 20:31 < limburgher> Fair enough. 20:31 -!- ldimaggi_office [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-6596a14d8985cdca] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:32 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else? 20:32 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close in 30 20:32 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: id like to propose we change meeting time with DST 20:33 < mmcgrath> anyone have any thoughts / opinions on that? 20:33 < f13> limburgher: you don't need to be in any group to help out with that ticket. All it took was logging into bodhi, investigating where those packages were supposed to be pushed out, and looking at the koji tagging. None of those things required any admin level. 20:34 < Smoother1rOgZ> dgilmore: which time would you like ? 20:34 < mmcgrath> We started with UTC to ensure that we were internationally focused (because its hard enough to participate if you're not in a US timezone as it is) so I thought for the meeting times we should shift that burden on to us. 20:34 < ricky> Smoother1rOgZ: It means we'd push it back one hour during DST 20:34 -!- ubertibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 20:34 * dgilmore always messes up when we change from dST to normal time 20:34 < mmcgrath> but I don't know that UTC really helps or hurts those not in the US. 20:34 < Smoother1rOgZ> just a lillte :) 20:34 * ricky probably won't be able to make meetings at 3:00 PM before the next DST change next semester 20:35 < Smoother1rOgZ> it's 9:35pm here 20:35 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: :) thats fair. I need to work out how to have it recorded in UTC so it changes for me 20:35 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: heh 20:35 < ricky> The gnome-panel clock needs UTC support :-) 20:35 < Smoother1rOgZ> ricky: +1 20:36 < dgilmore> i actually looked at switching my computers to just be UTC but it messed a few things up on me 20:36 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: send an email to the list about it, could be we find a better time altogether. 20:36 < ricky> I set irssi to use UTC so that's my source for UTC info 20:36 < jds2001> ricky: it has it :) 20:36 < mmcgrath> k, anyone have anything else? 20:36 < dgilmore> not from me 20:36 < jds2001> set your clock to UTC :) 20:36 < mdomsch> yeah 20:37 < ricky> jds2001: Hehe 20:37 * mdomsch wants to introduce Scott Collier aka boodle 20:37 < mmcgrath> boodle: make yourself known! 20:37 < ricky> boodle: Welcome :-) 20:37 -!- abadger1999 [n=abadger1@xxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < dgilmore> boodle: welcome 20:37 -!- Khaytsus [n=Khaytsus@fedora/khaytsus] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < mdomsch> he works at Dell and oversees a lot of our Linux support queues 20:37 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I know this boodle, he's the one that pushes all his work on to David Ulbrich when he's not around :) 20:37 < mdomsch> he's about to get his RHCA (one or two tests to go) 20:37 < boodle> Heh. This is my first meeting, trying to wrap my head around your infrastructure / processes 20:37 < boodle> lol 20:37 < boodle> exactly 20:38 * mmcgrath got an out of office message from him not to long ago :) 20:38 < ricky> Hehe 20:38 < mdomsch> so, now when things break with our Dell gear, you know who to bug 20:38 < mdomsch> :-) 20:38 < mmcgrath> boodle: what time zone are you in? 20:38 < boodle> CST 20:38 < boodle> work out of Round Rock 20:38 < mmcgrath> solid, k. good to know. 20:38 < mmcgrath> welcome boodle. 20:38 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:38 < boodle> thx 20:38 < mmcgrath> ok, anyone have anything else to discuss for the meeting? If not we'll close in 30. 20:39 -!- ezq [n=ezq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 < mmcgrath> 10 20:39 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting End
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