For those that missed it... Today's IRC Log 08:02 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here? 08:02 < G> I iz here :) 08:02 < jeremy> G: no you're not 08:02 < fchiulli> fchiulli: is here 08:03 * MrBawb / 08:03 < G> jeremy: bleh 08:03 * nirik is sitting in the nosebleed seats in the back 08:03 * ianweller 08:03 < G> jeremy: good point, I left my brain in the other Nigel :) 08:03 < jeremy> G: there's two nigels? I had been wondering how you got so much done :-) 08:04 < mmcgrath> Ok guys lets get started. 08:04 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- "Issues" 08:04 < mmcgrath> So yeah, i'd imagine lots of us here want to talk about these crazy issues that paul has notified everyone about. 08:04 < mmcgrath> Unfortunately all I can say right now is that it won't happen in this meeting and I'm sorry. I really am. 08:05 < ianweller> :( 08:05 < mmcgrath> It pains me to have to not comment but I just can't so for right now, this is just going to be a boring, normal meeting. :) 08:05 < G> fine my me 08:05 < G> *fine by me 08:05 < fchiulli> I'll just have to cry in my beer. :-) 08:05 < smooge> I still say its zombies 08:05 * mmcgrath loves my team. 08:05 * lmacken rolls in late 08:06 < ianweller> can you give us an ETA or is that even way out there 08:06 * abadger1999 here 08:06 < mmcgrath> I'm not going to ever be untruthful to you guys, really. So all I can say.. is that I can't say. 08:06 < ianweller> mmcgrath: thanks :) 08:06 < mmcgrath> ianweller: sorry, I can't give you a quantitiative answer like "in 2 days" or anything like that. 08:06 * dgilmore notes he is a zombie 08:06 < ianweller> damn 08:06 < mmcgrath> Ok, so. Lets look at the tickets. 08:06 * londo is here 08:07 < G> mmcgrath: we still have tickets? wow I forgot :P 08:07 < mmcgrath> oh and I think zodbot is mostly back up :) 08:07 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 08:07 < zodbot> <http://tinyurl.com/47e37y> (at fedorahosted.org) 08:07 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y 08:07 < mmcgrath> boo zodbot. 08:07 -!- ianweller changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- tickets 08:07 < ianweller> hah wow 08:07 < mmcgrath> :) 08:07 < mmcgrath> ok. 08:08 < mmcgrath> so lets do 08:08 < mmcgrath> .ticket 732 08:08 < mmcgrath> first 08:08 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #732 (Investigate New System Monitoring Methods) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/732 08:08 < mmcgrath> G: want to take this one? 08:08 < G> Yeah okay 08:09 < mmcgrath> so have at it. 08:09 < mmcgrath> I still see some segfaulting :) 08:09 < G> Right so Zabbix has been working okay, but I encountered some issues with the distributed monitoring in 1.4.x, looks like we'll need to use the 1.5.x branch (due to be 1.6 in September) 08:10 < rsc> G: Is Fedora Infrastructures' Zabbix already somewhere running? 08:10 < G> 1.6 allows us to set up Zabbix proxies on certain hosts to take some of the grunt work off noc1 but still only have one source of announcements etc 08:10 < G> (example is, VPN servers and noc2) 08:10 < mmcgrath> rsc: it is 08:11 < mmcgrath> rsc: along side our nagios install 08:11 < rsc> mmcgrath: URL? 08:11 < G> rsc: yeah, we've got an instance going, seems to be fairly stable 08:11 < mmcgrath> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/zabbix/ 08:11 < G> mmcgrath: btw segfaults? where? 08:11 < rsc> mmcgrath: btw I'm still lacking THAT infrastructure mail/explanation for the last week ;) 08:11 < lmacken> G: i've seen some on app1 08:11 < G> lmacken: rpm -q zabbix-agent? 08:11 < mmcgrath> G: I thought I saw some on bastion as well 08:12 < mmcgrath> skvidal: we should send an email out about that. Can you do that? 08:12 < lmacken> G: zabbix-agent-1.4.6-1.el5 08:12 < rsc> mmcgrath: but can't login with FAS data there... 08:12 < G> argh 08:12 < skvidal> mmcgrath: what do you want an email about? 08:12 < mmcgrath> rsc: correct. 08:12 < G> lmacken: I'll talk to jeff 08:12 < mmcgrath> skvidal: about why some mail was dropping and that some people have gotten unsubscribed from lists as a result of it. 08:12 < skvidal> mmcgrath: oh, you're just being a dick, I see 08:12 < skvidal> mmcgrath: oh - I see 08:13 < mmcgrath> skvidal: heh, no. there was really a problem and it affected people :) 08:13 < skvidal> mmcgrath: oh - I thought you were just screwing w/me 08:13 < mmcgrath> skvidal: sorry not right now :) 08:13 < skvidal> sorry 08:13 < skvidal> yah 08:13 < jcollie> eh, more segfaults? need to get everybody updated to the latest RPMs :) 08:13 < mmcgrath> no no on :) 08:13 < mmcgrath> G: did we get the new new rpm in the repo? 08:13 < skvidal> I can email to f-i 08:13 < skvidal> or does it need to go to announce? 08:13 < jcollie> G: no, I don't think so 08:13 < G> anyway, the two main points are, a full zabbix deployment will conflict with our infrastructure freeze 08:13 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I'd say devel-announce and f-i would be good. 08:14 < G> (for F10) 08:14 < rsc> mmcgrath: why? For nagios I was able to read the stuff at least. 08:14 < G> rsc: you still can 08:14 < G> rsc: Monitoring tab 08:14 < rsc> G: I would like to just read at zabbix. 08:14 < G> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/zabbix/dashboard.php 08:15 < G> mmcgrath: whats the proceedure for that? 08:15 < mmcgrath> G: sorry? to just read zabbix? 08:15 < skvidal> mmcgrath: what day were the bounces? All my days have run together 08:15 < skvidal> tuesday right? 08:15 < mmcgrath> skvidal: it was likely over a longer period of time then that. 08:15 < jcollie> i'd say that since the F10 beta is going to slip for a while we don't have to freeze just yet 08:15 < mmcgrath> no one reported it till tuesday though. 08:15 < skvidal> so I'll say sat -> tues 08:16 < G> mmcgrath: no, Infrastructure Frezze and a full scale zabbix deployment? 08:16 < mmcgrath> sure 08:16 < mmcgrath> G: oh, so the infrastructure freeze is still a bit out I'll get an exact day for that. 08:16 < mmcgrath> as far as the full scale zabbix deployment, we're lucky to have nagios up still so we can set it up in tandum. 08:17 < mmcgrath> as soon as the monitoring of nagios has been duplicated. I'd say we just... tell people to setup their alerts. 08:17 < jcollie> i don't think that rel-eng knows when beta will be out since they can't do any builds or composes yet 08:17 < G> mmcgrath: roger that 08:17 < mmcgrath> jcollie: until I hear otherwise. The schedule hasn't shipped. now, i'd certainly think its going to, but right now I'm moving assuming it's still on schedule. 08:18 < mmcgrath> err schedule hasn't slipped anyway :) 08:18 < G> Anyway, to finish up, I'm working some documentation for Zabbix and the _right_ way on doing stuff such as setting up triggers and monitoring items so I don't have to wack people over the head and clean up stuff every day :) 08:18 < jcollie> yeah haven't seen much of f13 lately 08:19 < G> And thats about it from me 08:19 < abadger1999> G: Excellent (documentation) 08:19 < mmcgrath> G: yeah a policy thing would be good. 08:20 < G> yeah, Nagios has got very tatty 08:21 < fchiulli> Now I can go back and work on my ticket. Hot damn. 08:21 < mmcgrath> heheh 08:21 < mmcgrath> Ok 08:21 < mmcgrath> G: anything else on that? 08:21 < G> mmcgrath: nah, lets roll on 08:21 < mmcgrath> solid 08:21 < mmcgrath> .ticket 753 08:21 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #753 (Mini-freeze for Fedora 10 beta) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/753 08:22 * mmcgrath isn't familiar with this one 08:22 < G> heh, I guess we kinda discussed this? 08:22 < mmcgrath> yeah I guess so 08:22 < mmcgrath> If Jesse needs a freeze we'll give him one. I'll make sure to discuss this next week. 08:22 < mmcgrath> .ticket 395 08:22 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395 08:22 < mmcgrath> I'm pretty sure there's no new work on this 08:23 < mmcgrath> jcollie: anything? 08:23 < jcollie> nope 08:23 < G> btw, in relation to F10 Beta slipping, I'm pretty sure I heard on -devel-list that it'll be at least a week 08:23 < jcollie> we should try and get something done soon though 08:23 < mmcgrath> k 08:23 < mmcgrath> that sounds reasonable. 08:23 < mmcgrath> .ticket 446 08:23 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #446 (Possibility to add external links on spins page) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/446 08:23 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping? 08:23 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: pong 08:24 < mmcgrath> anything about the spins stuff? is that not needed anymore? if not can we get the ticket closed? 08:24 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: we have a wiki page. need an appropriate disclaimer 08:24 < dgilmore> im not sure if we do need it? 08:27 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: not sure, you just said you'd take this one so I keep pinging you about it :) 08:27 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i should get hold of the spins people and determine if its still neeeded 08:27 < dgilmore> if it is then get the proper disclaimer 08:28 < dgilmore> page is at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins 08:28 < mmcgrath> <nod> 08:28 < dgilmore> not really anything to add 08:28 < dgilmore> so lets move on :) 08:28 < mmcgrath> hah, k 08:28 < mmcgrath> .ticket 576 08:28 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #576 (Infrastructure Contact Information) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/576 08:28 < mmcgrath> I was actually going to try to do this this week but I got distracted :) 08:29 < mmcgrath> so we'll say thats a next week thing 08:29 < mmcgrath> .ticket 740 08:29 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #740 (Loaning out system time to OLPC participants) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/740 08:29 < jcollie> heh and we probably could have actually used it :) 08:29 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: you have any more thoughts on that? 08:30 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: let me look 08:30 < dgilmore> ok so what i think they are looking for is 08:30 < dgilmore> a sand box system 08:30 < dgilmore> somewhere to do mock builds. 08:31 < dgilmore> possibly also to run koji commands from 08:31 * dgilmore should find someone to package koji for debian 08:32 < mmcgrath> hmm 08:32 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we should probably hit this up on the list and see if its even something we should be doing. 08:32 < G> I still say, rack up a couple of the decommissoned xen hosts install Fedora on them, and throw them in a different part of the network, lock them down and ... 08:32 < dgilmore> we should get clarification that is what they want 08:32 < mmcgrath> I don't see any immediate benefit to Fedora but I'm not sure what the cost is quite yet. 08:32 < mmcgrath> yeah. 08:32 < mmcgrath> G: yeah we'd probably try to host that all somewhere else 08:33 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: a benefit for fedora would be closer working relationship. which should have the benefit of being able to build smaller fedora systems 08:34 < mmcgrath> <nod> 08:34 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: lets hold off till we find out what they want. 08:34 < mmcgrath> gregdek posted that ticket, ther emight be a better contact at RH 08:35 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: im guessing gdk is the best contact 08:35 < mmcgrath> err not at RH, at OLPC. 08:35 < mmcgrath> my bad. 08:35 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: but im guessing he doesnt know the requirements 08:35 < mmcgrath> either way we should get a clear idea of what they want to do. 08:35 < mmcgrath> <nod> 08:35 < dgilmore> m_stone: is likely the best contact 08:35 < mmcgrath> k 08:35 < mmcgrath> for now though, probably nothing new there? 08:36 < gregdek> I think best wait. 08:36 < gregdek> They'd really rather see koji back online first. :) 08:36 < mmcgrath> heh 08:36 < mmcgrath> fair enough 08:36 < mmcgrath> so next ticket 08:36 < mmcgrath> No new ticket. 08:36 < mmcgrath> Soooo. 08:36 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- IBM tech 08:36 < mmcgrath> An IBM tech is headed to fix a bad drive in xen14 right now. That should happen in the next hour or two. 08:37 < G> goodie :) 08:37 < mmcgrath> yeah, it'll be good to have xen14 back online. 08:37 < mmcgrath> and thats really all I have for this meeting 08:37 < G> mmcgrath: can we get him to leave a couple of extra servers behind while he's at it? :) 08:37 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 08:37 < mmcgrath> G: we can but we'd have no where to put them all :) 08:38 < jcollie> DNS servers... can we get some more? 08:38 < mmcgrath> although I am going to get rid of some 2U's. 08:38 < G> spoil sport :) 08:38 < smooge> DNS-SEC should we sign our zone? 08:38 < mmcgrath> jcollie: yeah, Its not really a priority right now though, we don't really have any dns issues right now but we can get another dns server or two up. 08:38 < mmcgrath> smooge: we could I think jcollie was even looking at that a few months back. 08:38 < mmcgrath> jcollie: ? 08:39 < jcollie> smooge: i've been using it for my home domain ... we need to figure out how to make the workflow work right 08:39 < jcollie> you have to resign your domain every 30 days 08:39 < jcollie> plus some key rotations 08:39 < smooge> ouch. 08:39 < mmcgrath> really? 08:40 < jcollie> yeah the signatures on the domain have a expiration date ... i think the default is 30 days - not sure if you can extend it or not 08:40 < mmcgrath> eeeenteresting 08:40 < G> Oh yeah, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/fingerprints has a short list of our Package Signing Keys and SSH Host Fingerprints :) 08:41 < jcollie> the tools are very much in their infancy.. for right now i'd say hold off on dns-sec, at least until we get more comfortable 08:41 < mmcgrath> G: that it does. We'll get cvs in there as soon as its back online as well. 08:41 < mmcgrath> jcollie: sounds good to me. If its something you feel like tackling though some day. i'm fine with being an early adopter there. 08:41 < G> mmcgrath: yeah 08:41 < mmcgrath> especially if it can help mature that technology more quickly. 08:42 < jcollie> yeah, i'm working on the procedures with my personal domain... once i have it figured out i'll work on how to do fedora domains 08:42 < mmcgrath> schweet. 08:42 * smooge needs to get that workflow into csi 08:42 < mmcgrath> :) 08:42 < mmcgrath> so much needs to get into csi 08:42 < G> mmcgrath: zabbix stuff maybe :) 08:42 < smooge> well hopefully I will have some time week after next to write some rough stuff 08:43 < mmcgrath> yeah 08:43 * mmcgrath hopes he will too 08:43 < mmcgrath> Ok, so anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? If not I'll close the meeting in 30 08:43 < smooge> what I need is a newer system at home and then hope the pain meds don't make me too dopey 08:43 * G told Amazon to forget my order for the second nagios book :) 08:43 < mmcgrath> :) 08:43 < G> mmcgrath: ummm I don't think so, except... 08:44 < mmcgrath> mhmmm? 08:44 < jcollie> mmcgrath: if you want to set up a couple guests i'll set up secondary dns services on them 08:44 < jcollie> maybe we want a sysadmin-dns group? 08:44 < mmcgrath> jcollie: <nod> we'll get something up. 08:44 < mmcgrath> good question. I'm not sure we'll need it. 08:44 < G> I move to say that everyone here appreciates the hard work Mike, Toshio, Jeremy, Seth and Luke (and anyone else I've forgotten) has put it the last week. It's much appreciated 08:44 < mmcgrath> in theory we won't even need access to that box to admin it. 08:44 < skvidal> G: ricky, jeremy, too 08:44 < jcollie> mmcgrath: either that or approve me for sysadmin-main :) 08:44 < skvidal> ah, you said jeremy 08:45 < abadger1999> G: And dgilmore 08:45 < mmcgrath> and G 08:45 < skvidal> nod 08:45 < G> skvidal: Dennis and Ricky 08:45 < G> yeah 08:45 < jcollie> mmcgrath: access to the box would be more for troubleshooting 08:45 < mmcgrath> G helpped get our web services back online :) 08:45 < jcollie> mmcgrath: could lump it under sysadmin-tools maybe 08:45 < G> mmcgrath: right but you folks did the grunt work to get the core back up 08:46 < mmcgrath> jcollie: yeah that makes sense actually. 08:46 < mmcgrath> sysadmin-tools I mean. 08:46 < mmcgrath> G: thanks for the kind words and work :) 08:46 < mmcgrath> Ok, we'll close the meeting early :) 08:46 < mmcgrath> 30 08:47 < mmcgrath> 15 08:47 < G> mmcgrath: yeah, thats all I had to say :) 08:47 < mmcgrath> 10 08:47 < mmcgrath> 5 08:47 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i have a dns server ill gladly offer as tertiary 08:47 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting end! 08:47 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: naw, I think if anything we'll move in to running more of our own servers. 08:47 < mmcgrath> best to keep those internal if we can. 08:47 < mmcgrath> Thanks for coming to the meeting everyone!!! 08:48 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 08:48 * ianweller hopes everything is fixed soonish :) 08:48 < jcollie> mmcgrath: dgilmore: esp since we can set up xen guests in multiple geographical locations 08:50 < mmcgrath> jcollie: yeah -- Nigel Jones <dev@xxxxxxxxxx> _______________________________________________ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
