The infrastructure group is getting bigger and I think its time that we start examining whether we would benefit from officers in the admin group. I don't want to create a high barrier to getting involved with the infrastructure project but at the same time right now everyone is trying to do everything and as a result sometimes stuff isn't getting done. (ppc1 has over 200 updates that need to be done). If we got more fine grained with security we could allow people access to systems without giving them full root on all the systems. For example it would be very easy to create a nagios group so multiple people could access and restart nagios without giving them root to the box and other boxes. Some apps don't even need shell access to admin, otrs and mailman comes to mind immediately. I could see a use for the following officers: ticketmaster updates dba noc (nagios/cacti) accounting VCS external (someone who can coordinate with the other non-infrastructure teams on things) I'm thinking that officers should be limited to people that have been a part of the team for months and have a good record in the true sense of a meritocracy. I'm also under the opinion that some systems could have multiple officers. (for example I could very easily see Warren and myself as contacts for VCS). Anyway I'm throwing it out there. What do you guys think? Am I trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist? -Mike