Hey all, Thanks for showing up, as always. lyz, looks like I just missed you before the meeting, but if you get a chance, please let us know where you are with gathering account system requirements and such. (The TODO item that was on the list with your name beside it... :) breune, -- -- Elliot
Jun 29 16:02:14 --> You are now talking on #fedora-admin Jun 29 16:02:14 --- Topic for #fedora-admin is This is the meeting place of the Fedora Infrastructure & Sysadmin team | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure | Regular meetings: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings | https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list/ Jun 29 16:02:14 --- Topic for #fedora-admin set by nman64 at Sun Jun 25 00:30:30 2006 Jun 29 16:02:25 <lyz> I don't know if there was a meeting this week, but I've got a work meeting and can't attend Jun 29 16:02:34 <lyz> catch yall later Jun 29 16:02:37 <mmcgrath> yooo sopwith Jun 29 16:02:42 <-- lyz has quit (Client Quit) Jun 29 16:03:04 <Sopwith> hey hey hey Jun 29 16:03:05 <mmcgrath> we ready to get started? Jun 29 16:03:13 <Sopwith> I am Jun 29 16:03:26 <pasqual> I also Jun 29 16:03:33 <iWolf> I am Jun 29 16:03:40 <tgrman> me too Jun 29 16:03:43 <mjk|wrk> aye Jun 29 16:04:00 <rork> . Jun 29 16:04:12 <abadger1999> ah yup. Jun 29 16:04:32 <Sopwith> Cool, soo... Jun 29 16:04:52 <Sopwith> I added the 'subversion' item to the list earlier today... Jun 29 16:05:28 <mmcgrath> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/extras/ ;-) Jun 29 16:05:37 <mmcgrath> thats a 'partial' install. Jun 29 16:05:48 <Sopwith> hehe, you're way ahead :) Jun 29 16:05:50 <mmcgrath> I'm actually converting cvs to svn right now on lockbox. Its going to take a long time.. I'm guesing over a day. Jun 29 16:06:01 <Sopwith> Well Jun 29 16:06:10 <abompard> hey all Jun 29 16:06:13 <mmcgrath> but I'll use extras as our main setup with different sections having different access. Jun 29 16:06:18 <Sopwith> I wasn't planning on converting things to subversion wholesale - is that what you're doing? Jun 29 16:06:26 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Ooohh! Jun 29 16:06:37 <mmcgrath> sorry abadger1999 ;-) Jun 29 16:06:58 <mmcgrath> yeah, if we just want a clean head in subversion I can do that too. Jun 29 16:07:36 <mmcgrath> is there a good contact in with the ds people? I'd been working with richm a bit. Jun 29 16:08:42 <pasqual> I have a question Jun 29 16:08:44 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Hmm, I'm waiting on an e-mail for the contact Jun 29 16:08:55 <Sopwith> pasqual: Just go ahead and ask :) Jun 29 16:08:59 <pasqual> well Jun 29 16:09:03 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Do we want to move things up a level? /svn/extras /svn/fed-ds/ etc? Jun 29 16:09:11 <pasqual> I answered to a petition I heared in fedora news Jun 29 16:09:23 <pasqual> talking about you were searching for people Jun 29 16:09:25 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: With svn running on the app servers, how are you making sure both machines are accessing the same, consistent repository. Jun 29 16:09:42 <pasqual> and a person valled elliot lee conteacted me by mail Jun 29 16:09:46 <pasqual> Is he here? Jun 29 16:09:52 <mmcgrath> actually this is just a test and is only hitting one server. Jun 29 16:09:55 <Sopwith> pasqual: That's me Jun 29 16:09:59 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Ahh OK Jun 29 16:10:02 <pasqual> ahh!!!! Jun 29 16:10:19 <pasqual> with that nick was difficult to recognice Jun 29 16:10:22 <mmcgrath> sopwith==Elliot Lee Jun 29 16:10:37 <Sopwith> It matches up with my e-mail address :) Jun 29 16:11:00 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: as far as svn goes we'd have to talk about that. One benifit to having one large repo is its really easy to move things around. Jun 29 16:11:13 <mmcgrath> The bad thing is that it makes it more difficult to manage/backup etc. Jun 29 16:11:33 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: The strawman setup I was thinking of was having svn running on the cvs box itself. I am all for having it spread across the app servers but then we'll need to get shared disk space set up, I guess...? Jun 29 16:11:52 <pasqual> ok Jun 29 16:12:18 <mmcgrath> Sopwith: we could do that I think. Jun 29 16:12:21 <mmcgrath> how is CVS setup now? Jun 29 16:12:37 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Hmm, what do you mean? Jun 29 16:13:01 <mmcgrath> sorry, I read your response wrong. Jun 29 16:13:07 <mmcgrath> We'd need to have a shared disk setup. Jun 29 16:13:18 <mmcgrath> unless we put different repos on different boxes. Not sure we'd gain much there. Jun 29 16:13:35 <tgrman> is the intent to load balance the svn requests across the app servers? Jun 29 16:14:58 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Probably the package repositories would need to be together (In fact, the plan is to not have extras and core be separate at all). I don't think we'd want to copy data from fedora-ds to the package repositories, though. Jun 29 16:15:29 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: its easy to setup fds in its own repo for now and then move it into extras/core as it gets ready too... Jun 29 16:15:43 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Pulling patches out of the fedora-ds branch and putting them into the fedora package of ds might be another story. Jun 29 16:15:59 <pasqual> what is fedora-ds? Jun 29 16:16:00 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: I will send you the contact info once I get it. I think right now, we need to ensure we have svn basically set up and running in whatever configuration you want to use... Jun 29 16:16:01 <mmcgrath> tgrman: yeah Jun 29 16:16:21 <mmcgrath> Sopwith: what should I use as the authentication mechanism? Do they have Fedora accounts? Jun 29 16:16:32 <f13> hrm, there is a meeting here too today?! Jun 29 16:16:42 <f13> cripes, it's Fedora meeting day. Extras, Packaging, Infrastructure.... Jun 29 16:17:04 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: You can assume that they do, yes. Jun 29 16:17:04 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: The package repositories don't keep source (those go to lookaside cache) so there's not really a reason to have the fedora-ds sources mixed in with the package repository that I can think of. Jun 29 16:17:10 <iWolf> f13: Welcome to Thursday! :) Jun 29 16:17:34 >mmcgrath< This is actually for the certificate server group that is looking to open up their stuff (not public info yet). I made an 'svncert' group in the account system to track them. Jun 29 16:17:47 <Sopwith> iwolf: Upgrades, how goes it? Jun 29 16:17:49 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: I'm with you now. Yeah. Jun 29 16:17:55 <abadger1999> pasqual: fedora-ds is fedora directory server (an LDAP server) Jun 29 16:18:02 <iWolf> app1 is done, proxy4 is done. Jun 29 16:18:03 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: i use ldap for my svn auth at work here Jun 29 16:18:03 <pasqual> thanks Jun 29 16:18:06 <iWolf> Both are back in rotation. Jun 29 16:18:09 --- Received a CTCP AUTOPEER +AUTOPEER:4 from mmcgrath Jun 29 16:18:35 <tgrman> any ideas on the db1 upgrade process? Jun 29 16:18:48 <Sopwith> iwolf: Woohoo! Jun 29 16:18:52 <pasqual> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on Jun 29 16:19:07 <Sopwith> iwolf: So that-guy-whose-name-I-forget-already sent an email with ideas on upgrading db1 Jun 29 16:19:10 <Sopwith> tgrman, was that you? Jun 29 16:19:16 --- [tgrman] (n=jcmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) : Curt Moore Jun 29 16:19:16 --- [tgrman] #asterisk #asterisk-dev #fedora-admin #centos #asterisk-bugs #rhel Jun 29 16:19:16 --- [tgrman] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ Jun 29 16:19:16 --- [tgrman] is identified to services Jun 29 16:19:16 --- [tgrman] End of WHOIS list. Jun 29 16:19:20 <tgrman> yep, that was me Jun 29 16:19:28 * Sopwith gains a karma point. Jun 29 16:19:35 <iWolf> Sopwith: I responded to that on the list too. Jun 29 16:19:44 <iWolf> sounded like a good plan to me. Jun 29 16:20:04 <Sopwith> iwolf: If you don't think the overhead of setting up a temporary db server is excessive, then the thing sounds fine to me. Jun 29 16:20:37 <iWolf> Sopwith: overhead as in the performance hit on the server we put the temp one on? Jun 29 16:20:40 <rordway> Sopwith: one of these days I'll get a free moment to look at the metrics code Jun 29 16:20:53 <Sopwith> iwolf: Overhead as in spending a week setting up the temp server... Jun 29 16:20:54 <iWolf> Sopwith: or the extra steps of swapping over to a temp server? Jun 29 16:20:58 <Sopwith> Yea, extra steps. Jun 29 16:21:27 <iWolf> Sopwith: I think the security blanket it provides would be worth it in case things go poorly with the db1 setup. Jun 29 16:21:50 <iWolf> Sopwith: I tend towards the pessimistic side of things though... :) Jun 29 16:22:44 <tgrman> it's always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it Jun 29 16:22:50 <iWolf> Sopwith: Now with that said, my weekend/ 4th of July are pretty busy until next Wednesday. Jun 29 16:23:11 <iWolf> iWolf: so I am not apt to be too productive over the next few days except for some bits and pieces here and there. Jun 29 16:23:30 <Sopwith> iwolf: Yea, understood Jun 29 16:23:31 <iWolf> tgrman: I agree. Jun 29 16:23:35 <Sopwith> next week is going to be slow :) Jun 29 16:24:21 >iwolf< Let me know if/when you're comfortable with giving tgrman login access to get to root@xxxxxx Jun 29 16:24:22 * f13 wonders if Legacy CVS is on the meeting schedule. Jun 29 16:24:45 <mmcgrath> f13: its not but we can add it Jun 29 16:25:01 <pasqual> Sopwith: can you tell me something about the web styling work you commented me by mail? Jun 29 16:25:16 <Sopwith> pasqual: Sure thing. Let's get through the rest of the todo list though. Jun 29 16:25:23 <Sopwith> firewalls - lmacken? Jun 29 16:25:27 <pasqual> ah ok Jun 29 16:25:37 <pasqual> this has a todo list!!!! Jun 29 16:25:40 <Sopwith> yessir! Jun 29 16:25:42 <pasqual> it's very amazing Jun 29 16:25:47 <Sopwith> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule Jun 29 16:25:52 <pasqual> thanks Jun 29 16:26:05 <Sopwith> rordway says no progress on metrics Jun 29 16:26:13 <Sopwith> rordway: Any progress with monitoring? Jun 29 16:26:25 <mmcgrath> I'm having trouble monitoring the web apps because of the firewalls (thought I'd throw that out there) Jun 29 16:26:42 <rordway> Sopwith: no, I think we're still waiting on el4 upgrades Jun 29 16:26:50 <mmcgrath> and the firewalls :-D Jun 29 16:26:53 <rordway> :-) Jun 29 16:27:20 <rordway> I'm going to see about getting NRPE pushed along in Extras, but I'm new to the extras process Jun 29 16:27:23 <mmcgrath> oh, and NRPE Jun 29 16:27:51 <mmcgrath> extras is like a fine wine. It takes a long time and you rarely end up with vinegar. Jun 29 16:29:04 * dgilmore hates systems that take 15 minutes to poweron Jun 29 16:29:34 <Sopwith> tgrman/iwolf: How about a goal of having db1 upgraded within two weeks? Jun 29 16:30:03 <iWolf> Sopwith: I think we can shoot for that. Jun 29 16:30:38 <tgrman> sounds do-able to me but I'm still not totally knowledgable on everything, if iWolf and I work together, should be no problem Jun 29 16:31:09 <tgrman> everything as in how things are currently configured to access the DB Jun 29 16:32:01 <iWolf> tgrman: we should be able to sort that out. Jun 29 16:32:19 <tgrman> iWolf: sounds good to me Jun 29 16:32:47 <Sopwith> Cool Jun 29 16:33:07 <Sopwith> OK, documentation - anything we need to document? Jun 29 16:33:20 <mmcgrath> what don't we need to document :-D Jun 29 16:33:22 <Sopwith> lol Jun 29 16:33:32 <mmcgrath> I've added a bit more on otrs Jun 29 16:33:49 <iWolf> Sopwith: I can do dist-conf Jun 29 16:33:56 <mmcgrath> but thats much less for the infrastructure and much more for end users. Jun 29 16:34:02 <Sopwith> iwolf: Oh, that'd be nice. Jun 29 16:34:09 <iWolf> Sopwith: There is a pretty good readme in the CVS repo, that should handle most of it. Jun 29 16:34:22 <mmcgrath> its a little out of date, but pretty close. Jun 29 16:34:50 <iWolf> Yeah, I can tweak it where it needs it. And then you guys can peer review it! Jun 29 16:34:54 <Sopwith> iwolf: While you're at it, there's also a backup/restore procedure listed in fedora-config/access Jun 29 16:34:54 <iWolf> :) Jun 29 16:35:07 <iWolf> Sopwith: Cool, I can do that one too. Jun 29 16:35:11 <Sopwith> Cool :) Jun 29 16:35:19 <iWolf> Sopwith: That's the kind of stuff I can fit into the next few days! Jun 29 16:35:56 <f13> crap, I have to leave to pick up my wife in a couple minutes. Jun 29 16:35:57 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: How are OTRS queues going? Jun 29 16:36:00 <rordway> mmcgrath: do you need any help with OTRS? Jun 29 16:36:21 <mmcgrath> its going fine, I was actually thinking about putting a note out to the list to see if someone wants to be the official ticket master? Jun 29 16:36:39 <mmcgrath> until the accounting system gets re-written it'll be a little difficult to add agents to the system. Jun 29 16:36:42 <mmcgrath> just a bit manual. Jun 29 16:36:50 <rordway> www.ticketmaster.com? Jun 29 16:37:06 <mmcgrath> I've been trying to convert more email addresses but it dawned on me that not everyone would want their emails in the system. Jun 29 16:37:15 <mmcgrath> so we'll have to go and see who it will help and who it would hurt. Jun 29 16:37:23 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Yea, finding a ticketmaster is good. Jun 29 16:37:34 <mmcgrath> right now voting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx are in there. Jun 29 16:37:49 <mmcgrath> There's already tickets out there that are open that I'm sure are fixed. Jun 29 16:38:06 <mmcgrath> it'd be nice to have someone who's job it is to follow up on that stuff and keep OTRS clean :-D Jun 29 16:38:18 <rordway> what would being ticketmaster entail? :-) Jun 29 16:38:30 <mmcgrath> adding users, queues. following up on open tickets. Jun 29 16:38:31 <Sopwith> rordway: Telling other people what to do! Jun 29 16:38:41 <rordway> sweet!, I'll do it? :-) Jun 29 16:38:49 <rordway> s/?// Jun 29 16:38:52 <mmcgrath> it seems that not everyone using otrs yet but tickets are going in. Jun 29 16:39:10 <rordway> but yeah, I'll volunteer if nobody else wants to do it Jun 29 16:39:11 <abadger1999> Speaking of the voting queue : Did dropping my access level during the election remove me from seeing that queue? Jun 29 16:39:13 <Sopwith> Something that would help me personally would be to get a weekly e-mail reminding me of my open tickets. Jun 29 16:39:27 <Sopwith> abadger1999: Hmm, perhaps, not sure. Jun 29 16:39:28 <rordway> I'm a glutton for punishment Jun 29 16:39:35 <mmcgrath> abader1999: it shouldn't have but I could see why it would have, have you tried accessing it? Jun 29 16:39:47 <Sopwith> dgilmore? Jun 29 16:39:56 <dgilmore> Sopwith: yeah Jun 29 16:39:57 <abadger1999> Sopwith: I don't see any queues when I login to otrs Jun 29 16:40:03 <dgilmore> im half here today Jun 29 16:40:04 <mmcgrath> hahah it must have then. Jun 29 16:40:06 <Sopwith> abadger1999: Odd :) Jun 29 16:40:14 <mmcgrath> so far though the queue's clean. Jun 29 16:40:17 <rordway> mmcgrath: I wrote a script for RT that did a weekly e-mail reminder, if you want I could modify it for OTRS Jun 29 16:40:26 <mmcgrath> abadger you're going to tickets/index.pl ? Jun 29 16:40:56 <mmcgrath> rordway: up to you ticket master. Jun 29 16:41:06 <mmcgrath> OTRS might have a way to do that as it is. Not sure though. Jun 29 16:41:09 <Sopwith> dgilmore: Cool... Where does the backup stuff stand? Jun 29 16:41:32 <tgrman> was there ever a decision on exactly what needed to be backed up? Jun 29 16:41:59 <dgilmore> Sopwith: hasnt moved alot. I need to put something down on the wiki. ill get that done tonight start list of pro's con's and what we want Jun 29 16:42:13 <dgilmore> tgrman: /home was the only ? Jun 29 16:42:13 <tgrman> that discussion kind of branced into the whole hosting home directory issue Jun 29 16:42:23 <Sopwith> dgilmore: OK, is that something you'd be OK with having done for next week? Jun 29 16:42:32 <Sopwith> tgrman: Ahh yes... Jun 29 16:42:35 <mmcgrath> yeah, we should start moving on that soon. Jun 29 16:42:37 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: Ah. My bad. I went to /tickets/ but that redirects to customer.pl Jun 29 16:42:38 <dgilmore> Sopwith: definetly yes Jun 29 16:43:00 <rork> mmcgrath: I didn't find nman64, but I met daMaestro and we had exchanged e-mails. I'll try to help you ;) Jun 29 16:43:06 <Sopwith> tgrman: CVS repo & lookaside, db1, and lockbox CVS - those are the known things. Jun 29 16:43:23 <mmcgrath> rork: awesome. Jun 29 16:43:27 <mmcgrath> also the logs Jun 29 16:43:30 * f13 has to run, later. Jun 29 16:43:34 <mmcgrath> f13: later Jun 29 16:43:39 <Sopwith> f13: Later... Jun 29 16:43:43 <tgrman> are the logs centralized or on each server individually? Jun 29 16:43:55 <mmcgrath> right now each individual server though they should probably get sent to lockbox Jun 29 16:44:16 <mmcgrath> I'm not sure how much of a need there is for that though right now. Jun 29 16:44:21 <mmcgrath> its not a priority at least. Jun 29 16:44:26 <tgrman> mmcgrath: that should be an easy config change if it's needed Jun 29 16:44:28 <rordway> mmcgrath: do I need to be added to any access lists to be able to see tickets? I can't seem to find any tickets :-) Jun 29 16:44:44 <mmcgrath> rordway: lemme check your access. Jun 29 16:44:48 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: syslog-ng then filter each server to differnet locations? Jun 29 16:44:57 <rordway> rordway@xxxxxx Jun 29 16:45:28 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Good thing to add to the wishlist, though. Jun 29 16:45:53 <mmcgrath> sounds good to me. Jun 29 16:46:02 <mmcgrath> rordway: you don't have access right now, adding... Jun 29 16:46:13 <rordway> mmcgrath: cool, danke Jun 29 16:46:39 <mmcgrath> bitte Jun 29 16:47:17 <Sopwith> OK, metrics is stalled for the time being (rordway is interested but busy :) Jun 29 16:47:42 <Sopwith> mirror management seems to be moving along slowly judging from the list traffic, although Jason Hartley can't be here today. Jun 29 16:48:07 <Sopwith> And Damian also had an interest in helping there. Jun 29 16:48:10 <Sopwith> Damian's brother's wife's friend's dog is working on the hardware reporting tool last I heard. ;-) Jun 29 16:48:22 <mmcgrath> rordway: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets/index.pl Jun 29 16:48:23 <rordway> Sopwith: summer term is my busiest time of year :-( Jun 29 16:48:39 <Sopwith> rordway: No worries, you can't do everything. Jun 29 16:48:54 <mmcgrath> sopwith on the other hand can do everything.. I've seen it. Jun 29 16:49:01 <mmcgrath> :-D Jun 29 16:49:15 <Sopwith> hah, sometimes I try, and fail :) Jun 29 16:49:19 <-- tibbs has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jun 29 16:49:24 * tgrman wants Sopwith's super powers Jun 29 16:49:36 <Sopwith> i18n.redhat.com - stalled again, frustrating. Main problem is just finding someone inside with the drive to do it. Jun 29 16:50:04 <mmcgrath> hmm Jun 29 16:50:05 <Sopwith> account system - lyz had said he'd do a writeup for this week, but I haven't seen one yet. Jun 29 16:50:12 <rordway> Sopwith: I've got a 5 hour car ride to Eastern Oregon this weekend, so while my wife drives I might get some time to look at the metrics code. we'll see ;-) Jun 29 16:50:33 <abompard> could somebody remind me or give me a link to what metrics is about ? Jun 29 16:50:41 <Sopwith> rordway: Cool. Don't forget to have fun though. :) Jun 29 16:51:02 <Sopwith> abompard: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/metrics/ is the puny system that is running right now. The code is in cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/devel module fedora-metrics Jun 29 16:51:12 <Sopwith> err s,/cvs/devel,/cvs/fedora, Jun 29 16:51:31 <abompard> thanks Jun 29 16:51:51 <Sopwith> The idea is to keep track of statistics that are useful in decision making. For example, knowing how backlogged the Fedora Extras reviews are or how many bugs are open against Extras packages, or our googlebuzz history. Jun 29 16:52:25 <abompard> nice Jun 29 16:52:31 <rordway> Sopwith: if I pretend to be busy I don't have to drive ;-) Jun 29 16:53:05 <Sopwith> We have so many items it always feels like rushing, but hopefully those are most of the items on the list. Jun 29 16:53:39 <Sopwith> pasqual, welcome - now's a good time to talk about what you might want to do. Jun 29 16:53:39 <mmcgrath> btw newcommers: we get a lot of stuff done on the lists so don't hesitate to start a thread, reply to a thread, you name it. Jun 29 16:53:54 <pasqual> thanks Jun 29 16:53:57 <pasqual> well Jun 29 16:54:07 <pasqual> the web styling job you said Jun 29 16:54:18 <pasqual> to me by mail sounded interesting Jun 29 16:54:22 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: absolutely Jun 29 16:54:29 <pasqual> but I would like to know a bit more Jun 29 16:54:32 <pasqual> about it Jun 29 16:54:37 <Sopwith> pasqual: Sure, let me explain a bit. Jun 29 16:55:58 <Sopwith> pasqual: Right now there are various infrastructure pieces with web interfaces (OTRS, nagios, account system, cvs, voting, etc.). It would be really nice if (a) the homepage on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ listed them all in a nice organized way (b) each of those sites drew its web interface from a common set of templates that looked similar to the main Fedora site. Jun 29 16:56:23 <pasqual> aha Jun 29 16:56:36 <rork> bye Jun 29 16:56:44 <pasqual> in what consists those templates exactly? Jun 29 16:56:45 <mmcgrath> abompard: try otrs again ;-) Jun 29 16:56:51 <mmcgrath> rork: bye Jun 29 16:56:56 <-- rork (n=rork@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has left #fedora-admin Jun 29 16:56:59 <pasqual> by rork Jun 29 16:57:00 <pasqual> bye Jun 29 16:57:20 <Sopwith> pasqual: Typically it is a header and a footer that get applied to all the pages generated by those CGIs. It varies from system to system, though. Jun 29 16:57:21 <abompard> mmcgrath: now that's better :) Jun 29 16:58:13 <Sopwith> pasqual: I think doing part (a) would be a good starting point to get you familiar with the subtask of part (b) Jun 29 16:58:26 <pasqual> ok Jun 29 16:58:29 <pasqual> I agree Jun 29 16:58:47 <pasqual> part b is the coding side you mentioned me by mail? Jun 29 16:58:53 <Sopwith> pasqual: We also need to give the web team the ability to change the look & feel easily, so the idea is not to come up with any look and feel, just to allow applying new looks & feels as needed. Jun 29 16:59:03 <pasqual> in ehat language are those cgis? Jun 29 16:59:13 <pasqual> ok Jun 29 16:59:17 <pasqual> I understand Jun 29 16:59:23 <Sopwith> pasqual: It probably has coding involved, yes, because each web app has its own way of creating the web interface, and you will need to modify the code to allow using the templates. Jun 29 16:59:54 <Sopwith> pasqual: The CGIs are mostly in python or perl, and there are some static pages out there as well. Jun 29 17:00:27 <pasqual> which amount of ywork do you think is there? Jun 29 17:00:31 <iWolf> I'm headed out. I'll catch up via the logs. Jun 29 17:00:35 <dgilmore> Sopwith: so whats needed is someway to apply a css style sheet to the cgi's Jun 29 17:00:42 <Sopwith> dgilmore: Yea, more or less. Jun 29 17:00:46 <iWolf> tgrman: We'll chat more over email on db1 Jun 29 17:00:51 <pasqual> I refer about hoen many pages or files have need to be modified Jun 29 17:01:14 <Sopwith> pasqual: I don't know. A lot of the overall project is figuring out exactly what needs to be changed. Jun 29 17:01:32 <pasqual> Sopwith: ok Jun 29 17:01:34 <Sopwith> pasqual: It's a bigger project, which is why I'm suggesting starting with part (a) to just come up with the list of web apps and create the homepage using that. Jun 29 17:01:54 <pasqual> Sopwith: ok Jun 29 17:02:01 <Sopwith> pasqual: And you're just getting started, so I don't want to overload you :) Jun 29 17:02:23 <pasqual> Sopwith: for my part I agree Jun 29 17:02:40 <Sopwith> pasqual: Are you on the fedora-infrastructure-list e-mail list? Jun 29 17:02:50 --- [pasqual] (n=pasqual@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) : pasqual Jun 29 17:02:50 --- [pasqual] #fedora-admin Jun 29 17:02:50 --- [pasqual] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ Jun 29 17:02:50 --- [pasqual] is identified to services Jun 29 17:02:50 --- [pasqual] End of WHOIS list. Jun 29 17:02:53 <pasqual> Sopwith: there are technical details I need to work to do it? Jun 29 17:03:00 <pasqual> Sopwith: No Jun 29 17:03:22 <pasqual> Sopwith: It's ok, thanks Jun 29 17:03:35 <rordway> mmcgrath: I'm new to OTRS, but I should be up to speed in a few days Jun 29 17:03:36 <pasqual> to know I refred , sorry Jun 29 17:03:43 <Sopwith> pasqual: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure has a link to the sign-up page for it. Jun 29 17:03:55 <mmcgrath> rordway: make sure to read the user manual :-D Jun 29 17:03:58 <Sopwith> (By the way, if anyone else has issues to bring up, now's a good time...) Jun 29 17:04:00 <rordway> :-) Jun 29 17:04:06 <Sopwith> pasqual: That's the main e-mail list we're using for infrastructure discussions... Jun 29 17:04:13 <mmcgrath> Sopwith: rawhide killed my dog last week. Jun 29 17:04:37 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Maybe your dog ate rawhide, I dunno. Jun 29 17:04:59 <dgilmore> Sopwith: im trying to get rawhide to eat my sparc Jun 29 17:04:59 <mmcgrath> sounds like a meeting end to me :-D Jun 29 17:05:04 <pasqual> Sopwith: thanks, I have subscribed know. I will take a look to it Jun 29 17:05:50 <Sopwith> pasqual: For next week's, would you like to work on becoming familiar with all the infrastructure systems we have (read all the pages under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure)? Jun 29 17:06:47 <mmcgrath> rordway: you might want to setup an otrs test instance for you to become familiar with its groups/roles replies/auto replies. Jun 29 17:07:21 <pasqual> Sopwith: ok. how do you use to communicate? the mailing list or mails? Jun 29 17:07:38 <rordway> mmcgrath: I've been meaning to get a ticketing system setup for OSU Libraries, looks like I have a good excuse to do so :-) Jun 29 17:07:46 <Sopwith> pasqual: The mailing list is the main mechanism, and of course you are welcome to send private e-mail as well. Jun 29 17:08:07 <Sopwith> pasqual: Let us know how we can help you help Fedora :) Jun 29 17:08:32 <pasqual> Sopwith: ok, I will take a look to all the information and will be in contact in order to decide the next step Jun 29 17:08:47 <Sopwith> pasqual: Cool, thanks Jun 29 17:08:57 <Sopwith> Any other things to chat about? Jun 29 17:09:05 <Sopwith> beside rawhide and Mike's dog. Jun 29 17:09:10 <Sopwith> (Was it a nice dog?) Jun 29 17:09:31 <pasqual> Sopwith: jajajajaja, don't worry, I'm a kind of solitary cowboy Jun 29 17:09:58 <dgilmore> Sopwith: syncmail where is our copy of the script kept Jun 29 17:10:02 <mmcgrath> not really :-D Jun 29 17:10:06 <tgrman> iWolf: sounds good Jun 29 17:10:18 <pasqual> Sopwith: as the questions appear I will contact more Jun 29 17:10:43 <Sopwith> dgilmore: It's stored in CVS Jun 29 17:10:55 <Sopwith> dgilmore: Check out the 'CVSROOT' module from the appropriate repository Jun 29 17:11:07 <Sopwith> dgilmore: The loginfo file will tell you the path to the syncmail script that is used. Jun 29 17:11:11 <dgilmore> Sopwith: did that and it wasnt there Jun 29 17:11:16 <Sopwith> hmm, hang on Jun 29 17:11:42 <Sopwith> dgilmore: it's in the 'CVSROOT/admin' directory for extras Jun 29 17:11:56 <dgilmore> yeah i got permission denied on there :( Jun 29 17:12:09 <Sopwith> OK, I need to fix that I think. That was excessive gaftonparanoia Jun 29 17:12:18 <dgilmore> :) ok Jun 29 17:12:47 <Sopwith> dgilmore: I assume you're in the 'sysadmin' group in the account system? Jun 29 17:13:04 <dgilmore> Sopwith: i just want to fix the bug for those few contributors with non ascii in there name Jun 29 17:13:08 <dgilmore> yeah i should be Jun 29 17:13:22 <dgilmore> Sopwith: ausil is my accounts system username Jun 29 17:14:56 <Sopwith> dgilmore: OK, you should be able to check it out within an hour. Jun 29 17:15:08 <dgilmore> Sopwith: great Jun 29 17:18:51 <pasqual> I left, thanks to all Jun 29 17:18:53 <Sopwith> Well, I guess that's it for today's meeting. Jun 29 17:18:54 <-- pasqual has quit ("Me'n vaig") Jun 29 17:18:56 <Sopwith> Thanks everyone! Jun 29 17:19:14 <Sopwith> By the way, good news - the SCO case mostly got thrown out today. Jun 29 17:19:31 <dgilmore> saw that great news Jun 29 17:19:34 <abompard> Sopwith: good news :) Jun 29 17:19:55 <abompard> if they can throw away a bit more (like DMcB) Jun 29 17:20:05 <abompard> that'd be nice Jun 29 17:20:35 <dgilmore> abompard: that would help Jun 29 17:21:45 <abadger1999> Sorry, was afk. If anyone's interested: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/ArchitectureDraft Jun 29 17:21:45 <abadger1999> has some notes on my prototype of the new package vcs. Jun 29 17:22:30 <abadger1999> mmcgrath has put some work into an alternative subversion implementation but he hasn't written anything up yet :-) Jun 29 17:22:47 <Sopwith> abadger1999: Woohoo, very cool Jun 29 17:22:55 <Sopwith> abadger1999: POst that to the list if you will please? Jun 29 17:23:04 <abadger1999> Sure. Jun 29 17:24:22 <mmcgrath> its comin :-D Jun 29 17:24:30 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: I don't know if you've looked -- livna uses subversion instead of cvs in their implementation. Jun 29 17:25:13 <mmcgrath> what I secretely want to do is mix SVN/LDAP/PKI Jun 29 17:25:41 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: i use svn and ldap Jun 29 17:25:52 <dgilmore> i think i said that already Jun 29 17:25:54 <mmcgrath> with mod_dav_svn? Jun 29 17:26:09 <mmcgrath> yeah, I've got our SVN here hooked up to ::COUGH:: AD. But hey it works. Jun 29 17:28:03 <abadger1999> Do you think LDAP and the package database would tie together nicely? Jun 29 17:28:42 <Sopwith> oh yea LDAP... :-) Jun 29 17:28:53 <Sopwith> abadger1999: What exactly do you want to tie together? Jun 29 17:29:11 <mmcgrath> Sopwith: I've been going back and forth on LDAP vs PGSQL. Jun 29 17:29:25 <mmcgrath> Its a tough call. Jun 29 17:29:47 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: What are the things pulling towards the LDAP side? Jun 29 17:30:06 <mmcgrath> from an infrastructure side I've found it really easy to work with/setup groups that type of thing. Jun 29 17:30:32 <Sopwith> mmcgrath: Is that because of LDAP itself, or because of the tools that happen to be available on top of LDAP? Jun 29 17:30:43 <mmcgrath> mostly because the tools are already there. Jun 29 17:31:02 <mmcgrath> I have to admit right now LDAP just 'seems' like the right idea but it might be an overkill for what we need. Jun 29 17:31:15 <mmcgrath> Especially since we're a very develop centric organization :-D Jun 29 17:32:15 <Sopwith> To me, LDAP is just another database, and as a database it doesn't seem attractive. I don't care about the tools on top because I don't think they can be easily customized to meet our needs (e.g. how many LDAP directories allow multiple e-mail addresses per account?) Jun 29 17:32:46 <Sopwith> Something someone asked a while back that I still don't know for sure - does LDAP have a query language, or is it mainly key-value retrievals? Jun 29 17:32:46 <mmcgrath> Sopwith: plenty do :-D Jun 29 17:32:51 <Sopwith> hmm cool Jun 29 17:32:53 <abadger1999> Some of the things the Package db would have to answer for version control are: who owns a package, what groups or people could commit to a package, who is allowed to work on embargoed versions of packages.
