Gary - I was trying to build something recently that required org.apache.avalon.framework.logger.Log4JLogger from avalon-framework. The avalon-framework.jar file in FC4 appears to be missing this class. I grabbed the SRPM file from rawhide and attempted to build that instead. The build failed with this... [javadoc] java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.tools.doclets.standard.Standard not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader{urls=[file:./,file:./], parent=gnu.gcj.runtime.ExtensionClassLoader{urls=[], parent=null}} I've seen this before. It seems that our com-sun-javadoc or com-sun-tools-doclets-Taglet jar should be on the default classpath somehow. In any case, I noticed that this build of the jar file includes the proper class, but as far as I can tell, this is the same SRPM that was used in FC4. Why wouldn't the FC4 jar file contain the Log4JLogger class? Thanks! AG