Hi, On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 07:40 -0500, Karen Bennet wrote: > We might need to call it something other then java though, > so welcome suggestions. FYI attached is an email exchange from the debian-java mailinglist on this same subject. Michael Koch is a gcj and GNU Classpath hacker and Dalibor Topic is a Kaffe hacker. Obviously as GNU Classpath maintainer I am also biased and would call it after the classpath project. Please feel free to call it the "Fedora Classpath Community Project" if you like. But maybe "fedora-gcj" is more appropriate since you are currently building everything to native with gcj anyway. If you need some infrastructure to collaborate on any fedora packaging initiatives around gcj/classpath, like a wiki setup, quicker then the restructuring of the fedora project guidelines takes then we are happy to offer you space on our http://developer.classpath.org/ machine (in the understanding that it will migrate back to the official fedora mothership when it is ready of course). Cheers, Mark -- Escape the Java Trap with GNU Classpath! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html Join the community at http://planet.classpath.org/
--- Begin Message ---49:04 2005 Received: from mail by gnu.wildebeest.org with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DD2fj-0004h4-00 for <mark@localhost>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:49:04 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by gnu.wildebeest.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DD2fi-0004gz-00 for <mark@localhost>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:48:58 +0100 Delivered-To: klomp.org-mark@xxxxxxxxx Received: from mail.qwknetllc.com [209.161.29.2] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.11) for mark@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:48:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 13164 invoked by uid 399); 20 Mar 2005 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphy.debian.org) (146.82.138.6) by arthur.qwknetllc.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 7F4562DD92; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:44:34 -0600 (CST) Old-Return-Path: <glddj-debian-java-2@xxxxxxxxxxx> X-Original-To: debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826982DD89 for <debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:44:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DD2ZO-0001zZ-T9 for debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:42:27 +0100 Received: from p5480D419.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.128.212.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:42:26 +0100 Received: from robilad by p5480D419.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:42:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Dalibor Topic <robilad@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Setup a free java development environment Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <loom.20050320T162142-226@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> References: <423BCE32.9000606@xxxxxxxx> <423C38E2.2030105@xxxxxxxxx> <423D5BE1.1020400@xxxxxxxx> <20050320144457.GA8236@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 84.128.212.25 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050306 Firefox/1.0.1 (Debian package 1.0.1-2)) Sender: news <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: glddj-debian-java-2@xxxxxxxxxxx X-MailScanner-To: debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx X-Rc-Virus: 2005-02-17_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2005-02-20_01 Resent-Message-ID: <ecul5D.A.fCB.ipZPCB@murphy> Resent-From: debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx X-Mailing-List: <debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> archive/latest/6668 X-Loop: debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx List-Id: <debian-java.lists.debian.org> List-Post: <mailto:debian-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> List-Help: <mailto:debian-java-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <mailto:debian-java-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:debian-java-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/> Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-java-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:44:34 -0600 (CST) Resent-Bcc: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on nescio X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: Delivered-To: localhost-mark@localhost X-Evolution-Source: imap://mark@nescio/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Koch <konqueror <at> gmx.de> writes: > BTW: Free Java does not exist in reality and I would not recommend to > name anthing officially with Java in its name. Java is a registered > tradmark by SUN. The Fedora Java effort currently thinks about a name too= ... >=20 > I would call it "Classpath community" but this is only my personal > preference and I'm prejudiced because I'm part of GNU classpath project. Yep. It is in my opinion simply rude to try to rub off Sun's trade marks, b= eside being an unnecessary legal risk. Just like I think Sun's pretty stupid when= they desperately try to market their proprietary software as 'open source', I th= ink it's equally stupid to try to pass free software off as non-free. Remember,= like GNU is *not* Unix(TM), GNU Classpath/Kaffe/Gcj are *not* Java(TM). If anything, they are better, in my biased opinion, so there is no need to associate them with the negative, and by now pretty meaningless, legally du= bious J-brand. I personally prefer to use the terms 'Classpath community' or 'fre= e runtimes' to refer to the positive future of the platform :)=20 These terms don't come with trade mark use restrictions, and moreover are n= ot generally associated with all the negative connotations the term 'Java(TM)'= has to a lot of people in the free software community.[1] Recently I've talked to a few people trying to run some 'how Sun could try = to excert legal pressure if they wanted to' scenarios past me in private, and = most of them involved Sun using trade marks to that end. So I am no fan of givin= g Sun a huge bat to smack one with, even though I believe them to be benevolent i= n general. cheers, dalibor topic [1] Non-free, slow, limited, resource-intensive, dubious licensing ... =20 --=20 To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx= rg
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